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jrfoutin
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2007 15:17 |
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Tulsabrit,
MMMMM I eat cheese. I eat it like other foods by checking out the A not being over 6%, just like you suggested. I don't eat it every day, but it is part of a wide variety of foods I try to eat.
I go for the real stuff, too, as it is less likely to be approximated or chemicals and materials changed for profitability, which includes a hefty incentive for large businesses to market food as an ideal source of some this or that vitamin or mineral that has been added.
Best to you Tulsabrit--Janet
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2007 17:46 |
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Please let us know where you read that you cannot eat cheese so we can correct that information.
Chicken is fine. Some folks who are trying to get their 25-D down to 12ng/ml or less remove the skin before cooking or eating since there may be a small amount of natural Vitamin D stored there.
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tulsabrit
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2007 18:38 |
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| Thank you everyone! Meg that is definately a difficult question, I was researching for a long time yesterday and I do not write down each area I visit. I do print off my findings from time to time and will check at home and see if I can figure out where I saw that. Thanks in advance for all help. Sarah
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Knochen
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Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2007 23:50 |
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Dr Marshall wrote: "remember my 'patent' chocolate drink (which does have a small amount of D in it)
1 part of 'Droste' Dutch Cocoa with 1 part of Whole Cream Milk Powder (no added D from AmericanSpice.com) and 2 parts of Splenda. Nice..."
I have recently found a cocoa powder that I simply love, it is a "full fat" cocoa, and it is rich stuff. Royal Mahogany - Dark Brown Dutched 22/24 Cocoa Powder from http://tinyurl.com/248ycr This is their darkest "Dutched" cocoa, if you like something a little lighter try the Noble Salmwood - Medium Brown Dutched 22/24 Cocoa Powder - still a full fat type. Since this drink is for a treat, you might as well go for it, right?
I've made a variation on the above recipe that seems to work OK. It too contains a little D in the half&half, but seems to be a small enough amount that it's OK. My D levels have been good with very moderate intake of non-fortified Half&half.
1 level teaspoon Postum (or Pero) - Both are "coffee substitutes" made from roasted grain. There may be a very small amount of molasses in this. Look in the coffee aisle.
1 level(ish) teaspoon of dutched cocoa of your choice
Splenda to taste (or not)
Hot water enough to fill your mug 2/3rds
Half&half (NOT the low fat!) - about 1 liquid ounce (US) (about 30 ml)
Be advised that the full fat cocoa has a shorter shelf life, so put the bulk of it in the freezer in a zipbag or tupperware and only keep a small amount out. The minimum order gets you a BIG bag of cocoa, but it's cheap for the quality. Besides, you can share it with friends. Or share it and make friends. And of course, don't look at the products on the rest of that site. Avert your eyes!  (no affiliation, just a rather stupified customer)
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Joyful
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Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2007 23:56 |
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Sounds stupifyingly wonderful!
Thanks for the info on this.
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lionel forbes
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Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2007 05:20 |
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| cocoa/choc has caffeine,which is immuomodulative
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Posted: Thu Aug 30th, 2007 05:34 |
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caffeine,which is immuomodulative
Please provide the scientific date for that statement. As far as we can ascertain, caffeine does not affect the immune system.
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Joyful
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Posted: Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 04:58 |
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I think I see where the logic made a jump off the tracks...
Coffee has chlorogenic acid
Chlorogenic acid may affect immune response
Therefore:
Coffee may affect immune response
Coffee has caffeine
Coffee may affect immune response
But it does not follow that:
Caffeine may affect immune ...
A -> B, B -> C, Therefore A -> C ... ok! 
A -> B, A -> C, Therefore B -> C ... not ok! 
So, thanks Meg for clarifying that there isn't current evidence that caffeine affects the immune system.
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lionel forbes
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Posted: Wed Sep 5th, 2007 05:39 |
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| arghhhhhhhh------- i swear rhat i read a posting by trevor that caffeine,containing c. acid affects the immune system. im not that googd with computers to be able to find that article. someone surely can.
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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Posted: Wed Sep 5th, 2007 15:40 |
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| Coffee contains caffeine and chlorogenic acid. Caffeine does not contain chlorogenic acid. Perhaps that is the source of your confusion.
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lionel forbes
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 06:17 |
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ah so. now i can go back to chocolates
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Joyful
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 06:20 |
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Now that is the kind of thing you gotta be happy to be wrong about Lionel!
 
Last edited on Fri Sep 7th, 2007 06:21 by Joyful
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LH1953
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 00:59 |
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I really miss a hot beverage to drink, especially on those strong IP days. I tried this mix, and I can live with it. Might sound crazy to others, but, it works for me.
First, I put 1 cup of water in mug into microwave. I don't like things too hot, so I only use 1 min. 30 sec. Then I slice a strawberry into the hot water. The heat draws out the strawberry flavor. It is that simple. Sweet enought with no need for anything else.
The first time I tried it, I put the strawberry into a blender with a little water, then added it to mug of water and put it into microwave. Everything exploded out of the mug except 1/4 of the liquid. Do you have any idea what the inside of a microwave looks like with tiny strawberry seeds all over it? LOL
Anyway, hope you like it. Lori
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okiebug
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 05:29 |
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| My understanding from the MP readings is that D is stored in animal fat, therefore ANY fat in milk is contraindicated. (Someone please correct me if I am wrong!) I found a skim milk that has NO additives whatsoever at a natural food market near me (Sunflower Markets). Brand is Rasband. It does not keep as long as most 'regular' milks, since it has no preservatives. I only use it for no-additive cereal and cooking, so I buy 1/2 gallon cartons (smallest available) and freeze half of it until ready for use. This works great for me!
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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Posted: Sun Sep 9th, 2007 00:27 |
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| Small amounts of milk are okay but no one can say exactly how much. If your 25-D is 12ng/ml or less than you are doing okay with avoiding ingested Vitamin D. If you still need to get it lower, you'll have to restrict all milk. See Dairy products
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Joy
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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 17:56 |
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I'm wondering how the monitors of this site who have listed the D-containing foods to avoid, have found out the D content of various types of natural foods (such as the seeds, and flax). I'm trying to find out if there is any naturally occurring vitamin D in blackcurrant oil, as this may be useful in lowering triglyceride levels. Mine have been steadily shooting up and I'm scared of getting pancreatitis, so was advised to try flax oil, but it is claimed in the "foods to avoid" list to have Vitamin D in it. I'd like to know where this info came from, as I cannot see anything on the internet about flax oil having D. (fish oil, yes, but nothing about flax.)
I had been taking two flax oil capsules a day pre-MP, as well as grinding it up fresh to put on my cereal each day. These habits I discontinued at the start of the MP. However, I still eat every day my Nature's Path cereal which is made from Indian Corn, Amaranth and Flax (very small amount of flax, I would imagine). And I also use a gluten free flax-bread which has some of the seeds on the outside. Use of these products has not affected my 25D levels at all, as they have remained at 4 for some months now.
So I'm just wondering how much D is actually in flax oil, how it is known to be in there, and if blackcurrant might have less or none. Also, if anybody knows of any other reason why blackcurrant oil would be contraindicated on the MP, please let me know that as well.
Thanks,
Joy
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Non-MP Meds: Armour Thyroid, Lotemax steroid eye drop (3/day). Milk thistle, lutein, calcium, probiotics. NoIRs, gloves, hat.
Began Ph 1 9/06, Phase 2 1/07. 25D: 32,17,5,4,4
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Cheryl
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Posted: Sat Nov 10th, 2007 18:51 |
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| I am aware of the list of foods to avoid, but do not see a list of foods that I can eat. I tried this restricted diet and lost 10 pounds in a month. I realize soy protein powder is not allowed--but would that include fermented soy drink? Thanks so much Cheryl kochtn@yahoo.com
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10th, 2007 19:19 |
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| We don't have a list of foods that you can eat but you will find many helpful suggestions in this thread.
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HeatherK
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Posted: Tue Nov 13th, 2007 15:14 |
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I have a question about sweeteners in some gluten free products I have been eating. One is listed as sugar cane juice, and the other organic sugar. Would these be Ok??.... neither would be considered refined sugars I think. Other products use fruit juice as sweeteners , so I know they are OK.
When I do get a little baking done I use Splenda. But energy levels don't allow that too often. I don't eat a lot of baked products but when I do I just want to make sure I'm not getting the wrong sweeteners.
Thanks
Heather
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 20:51 |
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| Please see Sugar
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