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healingjason
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Posted: Tue Mar 20th, 2007 21:12 |
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Meg
I need to understand a little more as to whether one can distinguish between Benciar-caused symptoms and Th1 symptoms triggered by the Benicar. My current mind set is that Benicar can cause some mild giddiness or dizziness of itself while I expect the Th1 herxing symptoms to be somewhat different in an autistic child, such as greater irritability, more sleep disturbance and more behavioural difficulties (more ‘autism’).
Can one make a distinction?
You seem not to rule out the possibility of some dizziness yet you seem to suggest any side effects will be caused by the underlying Th1 disease. Can giddiness or any other symptom be solely attributed to the Benicar? If so, is there a serious risk of Jason fainting, noting that he cannot control his impulses like an ordinary child? Should the Benicar be reduced if we observe giddiness? Could the dizziness be a form of herxing?
It is important that I understand this as any adverse event may indicate that:
- the Benicar should be reduced (if the event can be attributed to the Benicar) ; or
- the Benicar is actually working and needs further support, such as minocycline (if the event can be attributed to Th1 disease).
I have read your links and I also appreciate that the herxing could be so severe as to cause postpone of the MP until a later time.
While I can do my best to keep Jason out of the sun, I was not proposing to try the glasses just yet. I fear this would be just too difficult for my son to comply with. I am hoping that the glasses will not be necessary. However, I will try to be ruthless with the vitamin-D restrictive diet.
I am praying for a beneficial or neutral reaction from the Benicar. I fear that the option of giving minocycline as well may be too big an ask - adding more pharmaceutical fuel to the fire so to speak.
John
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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Posted: Tue Mar 20th, 2007 22:28 |
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John,
Benicar does not cause dizziness. This is evident when folks continue taking Benicar and their dizziness goes away.
Please see Does Benicar cause dizziness?
Why am I dizzy and/or fainting? What should I do?
Many folks do not experience dizziness. The main difference with Jason is that he is not likely to tell you he feels lightheaded or dizzy.
If you think that Jason is exhibiting signs of dizziness, it will not be effective to lower the dose of Benicar. The answer is to take precautions so that he will not hurt himself. Someone as young as Jason is not likely to injure himself falling to the floor. Just see that he is not alone on stairs or climbing up high on the playground equipment until you are reasonably sure that he is not dizzy.
It will be important for you to post Jason's progress so that we can help you manage any intolerable symptoms. Don't rule out minocycline as a tool to dampen immunopathology.
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ShrnHml
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Posted: Sun Mar 25th, 2007 23:56 |
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John..........time release Benicar can be purchased in Canada at a particular compounding pharmacy. I think "Bookdad" has the information on how to get it. Good luck........Sharon
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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Posted: Mon Mar 26th, 2007 00:46 |
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Jewels
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Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 18:30 |
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Hi Dad,
Just a suggestion to protect his eyes if he won't wear the glasses. Will he wear a "cool" basebal cap perhaps? At least it will keep some of the light out of his eyes.
Also, is he bribeable? My niece is Autistic and I know there are numerous levels of functionality. But, I was wondering if he was bribeable, because my niece is (at least some of the time).
If he is, you could offer him something he really wants in exchange for wearing the glasses. Maybe something ongoing, like a TV show that he likes - he gets to watch it every week, or every day if he's worn his glasses (at least 1/2 the day - or whatever you decide) as a reward!
My daughter is 15 and my sister-in-law (the mom of my Autistic neice) insists that she (my daughter) has a LOT of the same behaviors as my neice - even though she is much higher functioning than my neice.
That is when I started to realize that Autism is probably a Th1 disease. I know my daughter has Th1 dysfunction, as do I, she's been sick since she was 27 months old. More like CFS, but just 2 years ago diagnosed with Lyme (without any known tick-bite).
Anyway there is much more to the story, but I won't bore you now with it.
I can't even get my Dr. to prescribe Benicar in the amounts we need to get started on Phase 1 for me, so kudos on finding a Dr. that will help your boy!
I decided I'd go through (at least the beginning portion of MP) first, before starting my daughter. But, I have cut out vitamin D and ordered NoIR glasses for her too.
I just bribed her with a trip to an Anime convention (Japanese cartoons) she wants to go to, in a few months, if she would wear the glasses. She said yes, they haven't arrived yet. She has let me know she isn't happy about having to wear them, but, she says she will.
And I have 3 months or so before the conference to assure compliance before giving her the reward (bribe).
Anyways, sorry it was a little long winded, but I hope the ideas may be of some use to you and your boy.
God Bless you both on this journey and please keep us informed. I only found your post today because I was looking for info for my niece and her parents.
Take care,
Jewels
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Claudia
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Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2007 11:54 |
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Hi Jason's Dad,
I've got to chime in with some stories about my son (I hope he doesn't read this - he'd be embarrassed, I'm sure.) The thing is, he's always been a bit "odd" although he is not autistic, but from birth displayed anxiousness and autistic-type behaviours. But he was bright and happy as long as nothing frightened him. At 4 he had a lyme tick bite (classic rash) and had a short course of penicillin for it - nothing more. At 6 his odd behaviours earned us a visit from the children's protection people to check if he was being abused or something but, no, they decided, he was "just a bit odd", very anxious and very intelligent, by the way. Next he was evaluated by a child psychologist who thought he might have Aspergers, but no, not that either, just a bit odd, anxious and extremely intelligent, not to worry... Then around age 7 he had his first migraines, which continued for quite a few years, appearing only when he was sick with a cold or flu. I though it odd that a young boy should have migraines! Around 11, puberty setting in, he started having strange "spells" which we feared were epilepsy! Months of tests and 3 specialists later, it turned out he was having "painless migraines" which consisted of just the "aura" before the migraine, but no pain. OH, and by the way, the specialists kept reassuring us that he was exceptionally intelligent! (For some reason, they must have thought we were unaware of this and that it would reassure us!?! As if it somehow made up for having an un-diagnosable disease.)
Now, why am I going on about my son? Because his obsessive and phobic nature has, I believe, helped him stabilise his own health. He has always been a picky eater and has, over the years, developed aversions to MOST Vitamin D rich foods! He won't eat any fish or fatty meat in fact, no meat except lean chicken. He doesn't put butter on anything. Doesn't eat mushrooms. He does like eggs (scrambled only!) but since he moved out of home and doesn't cook much, he doesn't eat a significant amount of egg. He doesn't drink milk (it isn't fortified here in Australia anyway, thank goodness!) and eats just a moderate amount of dairy - mostly in the form of cheese pizzas. I used to give the whole family various vitamins and supplements, but he was always reticent and would never take them of his own accord. MP-wise, he has been better off without me! 
He has ginger-hair and pale, freckled complexion so stays out of the sun... hates getting sunburned. From early on he got into computer-games and loves nothing more than to play all night and sleep all day. He hardly sees the sun.
As he got older and developed more of these quirky habits, his health naturally improved. Apart from catching a terrible case of chickenpox at 15, he has been in excellent health! Now 21 and independent, (still decidedly odd but really smart!) he has the constitution of a horse - hardly ever catches a cold. No migraines for years... I wish I could see what his D-levels are, since he obviously ingests very little and produces little from sun exposure.
If he were outside a lot and the sun bothered his eyes, I'd be willing to bet he would take to wearing NoIRs obsessively and never take them off.  The point is, I think perhaps it may be easier than you think to get an autistic kid to do the right thing, if they perceive it helps them feel better... The MP lifestyle is rather obsessive, if you think about it!
Autism is not just one diagnosis - as you know, it is a "spectrum" of disorders... if it turns out autism is a Th1 disease, then the diagnosis of "Autism" itself will disappear, won't it? The whole "spectrum" will simply be known as a spectrum of similar or related symptoms caused by a variety of Th1 disease pathogens.
Good luck!
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healingjason
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Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 21:52 |
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Jewels wrote: Hi Dad,
Just a suggestion to protect his eyes if he won't wear the glasses. Will he wear a "cool" basebal cap perhaps? At least it will keep some of the light out of his eyes. We can get Jason to wear a broad brimmed hat which does shield his eyes. Also, even in hot weather, he does not wear shorts because he will pick at his skin or any scabs. Also, is he bribeable? My niece is Autistic and I know there are numerous levels of functionality. But, I was wondering if he was bribeable, because my niece is (at least some of the time).
If he is, you could offer him something he really wants in exchange for wearing the glasses. Maybe something ongoing, like a TV show that he likes - he gets to watch it every week, or every day if he's worn his glasses (at least 1/2 the day - or whatever you decide) as a reward! I'm afraid the glasses will have to wait as I can only do so much to keep everybody onside with the MP - giving a blood pressure drug to one so young, especially where it has not been tried with an autistic child before, is already pretty out there for some and to require glasses as well may be too much.
My daughter is 15 and my sister-in-law (the mom of my Autistic neice) insists that she (my daughter) has a LOT of the same behaviors as my neice - even though she is much higher functioning than my neice.
That is when I started to realize that Autism is probably a Th1 disease. I know my daughter has Th1 dysfunction, as do I, she's been sick since she was 27 months old. More like CFS, but just 2 years ago diagnosed with Lyme (without any known tick-bite).
Anyway there is much more to the story, but I won't bore you now with it.
I can't even get my Dr. to prescribe Benicar in the amounts we need to get started on Phase 1 for me, so kudos on finding a Dr. that will help your boy!
I decided I'd go through (at least the beginning portion of MP) first, before starting my daughter. But, I have cut out vitamin D and ordered NoIR glasses for her too.
I just bribed her with a trip to an Anime convention (Japanese cartoons) she wants to go to, in a few months, if she would wear the glasses. She said yes, they haven't arrived yet. She has let me know she isn't happy about having to wear them, but, she says she will.
And I have 3 months or so before the conference to assure compliance before giving her the reward (bribe).
Anyways, sorry it was a little long winded, but I hope the ideas may be of some use to you and your boy.
God Bless you both on this journey and please keep us informed. I only found your post today because I was looking for info for my niece and her parents.
Take care,
Jewels
I appreciate your interest and concern. Kind regards, John
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Father of Jason, 11 year old autistic boy. Chronic infection evident from urinary amino acids (see bioscreenmedical.com). Benicar 40 mg QW8H from 7 Apr 07. Phase 3 from 28 June 08. Covered up, sunscreen.
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healingjason
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Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 22:10 |
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Claudia wrote: Hi Jason's Dad,
I've got to chime in with some stories about my son (I hope he doesn't read this - he'd be embarrassed, I'm sure.) The thing is, he's always been a bit "odd" although he is not autistic, but from birth displayed anxiousness and autistic-type behaviours. But he was bright and happy as long as nothing frightened him. At 4 he had a lyme tick bite (classic rash) and had a short course of penicillin for it - nothing more. At 6 his odd behaviours earned us a visit from the children's protection people to check if he was being abused or something but, no, they decided, he was "just a bit odd", very anxious and very intelligent, by the way. Next he was evaluated by a child psychologist who thought he might have Aspergers, but no, not that either, just a bit odd, anxious and extremely intelligent, not to worry... Then around age 7 he had his first migraines, which continued for quite a few years, appearing only when he was sick with a cold or flu. I though it odd that a young boy should have migraines! Around 11, puberty setting in, he started having strange "spells" which we feared were epilepsy! Months of tests and 3 specialists later, it turned out he was having "painless migraines" which consisted of just the "aura" before the migraine, but no pain. OH, and by the way, the specialists kept reassuring us that he was exceptionally intelligent! (For some reason, they must have thought we were unaware of this and that it would reassure us!?! As if it somehow made up for having an un-diagnosable disease.)
Now, why am I going on about my son? Because his obsessive and phobic nature has, I believe, helped him stabilise his own health. He has always been a picky eater and has, over the years, developed aversions to MOST Vitamin D rich foods! He won't eat any fish or fatty meat in fact, no meat except lean chicken. He doesn't put butter on anything. Doesn't eat mushrooms. He does like eggs (scrambled only!) but since he moved out of home and doesn't cook much, he doesn't eat a significant amount of egg. He doesn't drink milk (it isn't fortified here in Australia anyway, thank goodness!) and eats just a moderate amount of dairy - mostly in the form of cheese pizzas. I used to give the whole family various vitamins and supplements, but he was always reticent and would never take them of his own accord. MP-wise, he has been better off without me!
He has ginger-hair and pale, freckled complexion so stays out of the sun... hates getting sunburned. From early on he got into computer-games and loves nothing more than to play all night and sleep all day. He hardly sees the sun.
As he got older and developed more of these quirky habits, his health naturally improved. Apart from catching a terrible case of chickenpox at 15, he has been in excellent health! Now 21 and independent, (still decidedly odd but really smart!) he has the constitution of a horse - hardly ever catches a cold. No migraines for years... I wish I could see what his D-levels are, since he obviously ingests very little and produces little from sun exposure.
If he were outside a lot and the sun bothered his eyes, I'd be willing to bet he would take to wearing NoIRs obsessively and never take them off. The point is, I think perhaps it may be easier than you think to get an autistic kid to do the right thing, if they perceive it helps them feel better... The MP lifestyle is rather obsessive, if you think about it!
Autism is not just one diagnosis - as you know, it is a "spectrum" of disorders... if it turns out autism is a Th1 disease, then the diagnosis of "Autism" itself will disappear, won't it? The whole "spectrum" will simply be known as a spectrum of similar or related symptoms caused by a variety of Th1 disease pathogens.
Good luck! Thanks Claudia for your thoughts. Our Jason is a picky eater too and we have had to force him to eat better foods over the years. We contravene the MP diet in as much as Jason eats high fat salamis (which we try to ration) and low fat milk with cereals. I am not getting too carried away with the idea that autism is just one of many Th1 illnesses. This does not mean I am unsympathetic to the idea - if I were that then I would not be trying the MP. My uncertainty derives, in part, from the fact that I have heard this kind of argument before in relation to mercury poisoning - autism, CFS, Alzheimer's, MS and others are seen by many as various form of mercury poisoning. Also, Jason does have lab test evidence of mercury toxicity (from France) as well as evidence of an occult pathogenic infection. Trevor has commented that the former will resolve itself once the bacterial load is lowered. For their part, mercury theorists theorise that bacterial infections will resolve once the mercury load is lowered!
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Father of Jason, 11 year old autistic boy. Chronic infection evident from urinary amino acids (see bioscreenmedical.com). Benicar 40 mg QW8H from 7 Apr 07. Phase 3 from 28 June 08. Covered up, sunscreen.
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tickbite
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Posted: Wed Apr 11th, 2007 12:09 |
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John,
I have to applaud you for you efforts for your son. There are many who will be watching your son's progress on the MP and for good reason.
Best of luck ~ Greg
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Posted: Wed Apr 11th, 2007 12:52 |
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I have recently read an article about autism, saying that children with autism don't tolerate antibiotics very much. Article editors tried to explain this fact by candica infection and toxins produced by this organism affecting brain. I read also children with autism often suffer infections, for example ear infection.
These bacterial infections and antibiotic intolerance are very suspicious 
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healingjason
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Posted: Wed Apr 11th, 2007 20:21 |
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wrotek wrote: I have recently read an article about autism, saying that children with autism don't tolerate antibiotics very much. Article editors tried to explain this fact by Candida infection and toxins produced by this organism affecting brain. I read also children with autism often suffer infections, for example ear infection.
These bacterial infections and antibiotic intolerance are very suspicious
This was the first environmental cause of autism that I explored - about 8 years ago. This was because my boy's autism emerged soon after penicillin was given at 20 months for an ear infection and the penicillin caused antibiotic-induced diarrhoea (presumably caused by clostridia difficile). The idea then was that gut flora destruction caused by excessive abxs causes candida and/or other penicillin resistant bacteria to proliferate and produce toxins thought to impact the brain. I first tried anti-final therapy with a view to reducing candida to no avail (although stool candida numbers declined). Years later vancomyicn therapy was tried with a view to killing clostridia in the gut as this had briefly reversed autistic behaviours in a small study group. However, this failed to help Jason.
I now speculate that the 'ear infection' may have been a very nasty Th1 infection, nasty enough to cause autism (symptoms other than ear redness were also observed, notably respiratory symptoms). I base this also on subsequent testing done by CFS researchers from the University of Newcastle, Australia, who found marked similarities in lab tests between CFS adults and autistic kids, notably that both groups exhibited evidence of occult bacterial infection. Garth Nicolson has found that the blood of autistics is replete with mycoplamas and long term abx therpay is warranted.
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tickbite
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Posted: Wed Apr 11th, 2007 23:37 |
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John,
You may find this an interesting read:
Chronic Middle Ear Infections Linked To Resistant Biofilm Bacteria
I think it's great effort to explore the immune sytem and how our bodies interact. The MP does make a lot of sense on many levels. Going after the bugs with bacteriostatics may also be a far more safer method than wall busters. Perhaps that may have also been a role in your son's situation. After all, L-forms are grown in penicillin rich environments in the lab! From cell walled to cell wall deficient.........
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healingjason
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 01:33 |
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tickbite wrote: John,
You may find this an interesting read:
Chronic Middle Ear Infections Linked To Resistant Biofilm Bacteria
I think it's great effort to explore the immune sytem and how our bodies interact. The MP does make a lot of sense on many levels. Going after the bugs with bacteriostatics may also be a far more safer method than wall busters. Perhaps that may have also been a role in your son's situation. After all, L-forms are grown in penicillin rich environments in the lab! From cell walled to cell wall deficient.........
I don't know if the ear infection episode was where a Th1 disease process could have originated but it seems plausible. Because Garth Nicolson's found mycoplasma pneumoniae in most ASD kids, I compared mycoplasma pneumoniae symptoms with those noted by the GP at the time and there were similarities. Alternatively, Ken has suggested previously (see post under this thread) that vaccines contain contaminants that could be the origin of Th1 CWD bugs. Garth Nicolson has reported that vaccine constituents include mycoplasmas.
I suppose the identity of the bugs or bugs causing the Th1 disease is beside the point as the MP treatment applies regardless. However, in the absence of vitamin D bloods, speculations as to when and how a Th1 disease process became established assume more importance in deciding whether to try the MP.
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 11:02 |
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John,
Yep, if we went looking for specific bugs.....we would find them and it would also take an enormously long time. Besides, they would most likely be only bystanders. Th1 disease in a chronic environment is far more blurred and rather more like a painting of many colors and patterns. It is interesting to talk about the number of ways we pick up pathogens......from neo natal to zoonosis (flea, tick, mosquito, etc) to vaccinations to playing in the dirt. However, that's the thing....it starts looking like we are more pathogenic material than human! Anyway, it all begins to compound sooner or later in people.
I never did my D tests either to get on the MP.......didn't need um I did need to know what my 25D was as I went into P2......just to reassure others that I was herxing.
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 22:27 |
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| Did You wonder if son's antibiotic reaction may be a Immunopathology ? Last edited on Thu Apr 12th, 2007 22:43 by wrotek
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healingjason
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 01:12 |
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wrotek wrote: Did You wonder if son's antibiotic reaction may be a Immunopathology ?
Do you mean did I wonder whether the penicillin caused some immunopathology in terms of causing some nasty penicillin-resistant pathogenic bacteria to develop, as distinct from the bacteria that pre-existed prior to the giving of the abxs? As I note previously, I did think of this in terms of excessive clostridia and candida emerging in an environment where cell-walled bacteria had been destroyed by penicillin - upsetting the gut bacteria balance in particular, as this was an idea being actively explored in treating autism at the time. I was not aware of the MP at that time, indeed I understand that, in 2000, the MP had yet to be developed.
However, I recall our 'alternative' doctor was interested in L-form bacteria and she requested a 'Live Blood Analysis' which is a microscopic examination of live blood. One examiner claimed to have observed large numbers of L-forms. However, this diagnostic tool is controversial and is only used by naturopaths and the like and has little no scientific efficacy to my knowledge. I wonder if Trevor has commented on this?
The therapy given was herbal remedies directed at improving beneficial bacteria stool numbers. This did not help my boy's autism.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 11:14 |
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John,
I'm not sure who the "alternative" doctor was or which tests he was performing, but I can assure you that observation of L-forms is quite possible and has been done for a long tiime. Indeed the test performed on your son may have been bunk. If you have not read this book already by lida mattman on cell wall deficient forms and staining you may want to look at the preview here. Dr. Andy Wright has also done some interesting things too. http://www.autoimmunityresearch.org/lax2006.ram
Perhaps I should just point you towards Cell Wall Deficient Forms and the MP
This is good to know: L-forms, all you need to know, 1930-1951
These studies show that beta-lactam (penicillin) antibiotics actually cause Cell Wall Deficient bacteria to form from blood-borne bacteria:
http://tinyurl.com/572yt
http://tinyurl.com/6b3lv
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Claudia
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 11:20 |
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I think he (Wrotek) actually meant do you think the reaction was actually a herxheimer (immunopathology) reaction? That is, the antibiotic your son was given was doing *too much* of a good job, killing off the pathogens in such quantity that his body can't deal with the task of clean-up and repair and then the immune system over-reacting to the situation. Those things are sometimes mistakenly labeled "antibiotic allergy". (Well, that's my take on it. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.)
Claudia
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Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2007 15:57 |
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| Yes Claudia this is exactly what i mean
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healingjason
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2007 23:30 |
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Tickbite
I did not know that beta-lactam abxs are used to culture CWD bacteria. A connection between these abxs and CWD bugs may prove to be a very powerful finding which has yet to emerge at all in discussions on causes of autism to my knowledge. There is a discussion of Lyme and mycoplasmas causing autism but nothing of CWD bugs more generally or unknown or unspecified CWD bugs causing autism.
While it has been reported that autistic children receive more abxs (not tetracyclines) than normal children (2 to 4 times more) this has not been related to this causing a Th1 immunopathology. Rather, the over-use of abxs has thus far only been linked with:
1. clostridial overgrowth which is supposed to have a toxic effect on the brain in a similar fashion to the tetanus toxin (which originates from a clostridia) impacting the brain; and
2. an impaired ability to excrete mercury injected in vaccines - rats treated with abxs were found to excrete less Hg than those which were not treated. The un-excreted Hg from vaccines is supposed to impact the brain.
Theory 1 has not led to any advances in treatment and one hears little of this these days. Vancomycin was tried and this helped briefly but the kids relapsed upon cessation of the vancomycin. As to the mercury thesis, this has dominated autism discussions in recent years but only a few apparently lucky kids seem to benefit from chelation. This has been discussed elsewhere on the board.
Before showing signs of autism my boy was given 4 courses of abxs (all beta-lactam abxs) so there seems scope for CWD bugs to develop to cause autism. Indeed, he received 2 further abx courses even after he showed signs of autism, the doctor believing the autism and the abxs to be unrelated (a belief shared by all orthodox doctors).
Another point is that autism and many other childhood disorders are supposed to have reached epidemic proportions but, to the extent this is accepted, this has only been traced to the increase in the number of Hg-containing vaccines (now reduced). However, could it be true that the relatively modern propensity for docs to prescribe abxs has caused more Th1 immunopathology manifesting as autism and other childhood disorders? In Australia, there is a move to curb the over-use of abxs which, if the thesis I posit has validity, should see a decline in autism numbers from now on to some degree.
I really appreciate you guys responding to my posts and furthering my understanding of the MP and CWD bugs.
John
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