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mndymplol
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Posted: Sat Apr 26th, 2008 14:55 |
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I have used the Coppertone Spectra until they discontinued it. Last year we used the Zn Oxide cream but with 4 kids I think we hit every kind of sunscreen available with an SPF over 50. In general I think the Spectra served me well. While I used it I had no new lesions appear in exposed areas (mostly face). Nothing replaces staying well covered. I have literally worn hats, sunglasses and long sleeves for 20 years. I've gotten over the embarrassment. It's just something I've always had to do. I'm using the Neutrogena 85 until I find something else. We are ordering the Kabana to give it a try.
The most ridiculous thing is that until I heard about the MP the Medical community recently convinced me that I needed to expose myself to sunlight every week to keep my D levels up. That's also why we started supplementing with D during the winter. We bought a lake house last year. Just 6 months before finding out about the MP and starting my daughter on it. Talk about having good timing! LOL
Thanks for doing all of this research and sharing it with us. With my skin condition there is not a symptom which can act as a barometer for whether the sunscreen is doing it's job. I will just find out months or years later when new lestions appear (similar to actinic keratosis). So thanks a lot Joyce.
Mindy
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Aunt Diana
Advocate
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 17:28 |
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Hi Joyce,
I have a question about Kabana sunscreen. I wanted to follow your advice about using three layers of sunscreen before going out. I was surprised first to find that Kabana is very thick and seems more like an oatmeal scrub (at least my tube does). It was not easy to spread at all.....(I live in Florida and it is quite warm here...so I don't think it has anything to do with the cream not being warm enough). When I finally was satisfied that I had covered my face with one layer I went to a window for natural light to look at myself.....my face looked ghoulish...it had a greenish tint, not to mention greasy appearance. I left the cream on my hands and arms but needed to wash the palms of my hands several times before I could touch anything....they were so greasy I couldn't get friction to turn a bottle cap.
Is there somethiing wrong with my tube or is this the way it is?
Thanks in advance for any commments
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Lyme 1987, neuro cardio fatigue achiness brain fog depression, anxiety. Pacemaker, D.1,25 32; D <5; 12/07 <6, Oxycodone, lorazapam, benedryl, zantac, colase, Noirs, cover-up or avoid sun, house <30lux. Feb 08 Phase 3. 6/08 D <4, D1,25 21
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jcwat101
Research Professional
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Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2008 20:59 |
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Aunt Diana,
The old version of Kabana sunscreen does have that oatmeal scrub feel to it due to the ingredients, but the new formula is smoother. But the new one may be equally greasy in appearance and noticeable during the first couple hours after application. One thing to do, if you can, is to put it on the night before or first thing after arising, because I don't think it is very noticeable 2 or 3 hours later and if applied the night before, I don't think one would notice it at all. But if you feel you have to wash your face in the morning, that would eliminate that possibility, since washing removes the zinc oxide.
Another option if you prefer is to try the Glycolix from http://www.Amazon.com or another supplier -- it is more like a typical cosmetic and isn't greasy feeling -- it is 17% zinc oxide. Or maybe 2 or 3 coats or more of the Trader Joe's (10% zinc oxide) or another one. But the more zinc, the more tendency to look a little bit paler, though I don't notice it after a couple hours.
I have mentioned trying several coats if one is going to be outside longer or if one coat doesn't work. It is not really practical to do several coats of Kabana right in a row. I mentioned somewhere that they needed to be applied several hours apart. It works pretty well for me, because I don't need to wash my face every day and don't wear makeup (which causes a lot of people to wash their face every night). Or if one washed one's face at night, one could put a coat on afterwards. One time I got three coats by putting one coat of the Kabana on in the afternoon, one at bedtime and one first thing after getting up (2 or 3 hours before going out). I find the effect of the abnormal appearance is minimal in this way and pretty much disappears 2 to 3 hours after the coat is applied. Some other options are to use multiple coats of another sunscreen that is not as greasy.
IMO, one coat of 10 to 20% zinc oxide is better than the K cream for most people (but people have to test to see what works for them). Or one could try Knochen's homemade one, which is not at all greasy and then add a coat of the new Kabana, tinted zinc oxide (25%) or another. People's preferences, tolerances and needs differ, so there is not one solution that everyone will be happy with.
BTW, the new formulas of Kabana are coming out in a couple days. They have 25% instead of 20% zinc oxide and one is tinted a little and the other is not. They use more olive oil and glycerin and are smoother -- I like the newer formula better. One could apply one non tinted coating and then another tinted, a couple hours later or the next morning. But, the tint (iron oxide) does tend to rub off some, so one will need to be careful about clothing etc... I notice my pillow case has become discolored from it and I don't know how much of a problem that will turn out to be for people.
BTW, one is supposed to shake the bottles of Kabana and that can help some, though they will still be on the greasy side. One time I used one that seemed almost watery until I realized I had to shake it harder before using.
Joyce Waterhouse
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jcwat101
Research Professional
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 01:18 |
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Someone just asked me about a sunscreen available in Canada that they thought might be a cheaper option and has 10% zinc oxide. Unfortunately, what almost slipped by us is that in the list of ingredients was cholecalciferol -- another name for vitamin D.
So, be careful! If you want to try a sunscreen that isn't listed here:
Sunscreen Overview (Updated Feb. 24, 2008), you better ask about it here.
This is the one to avoid: Newco Sunblock SPF 15
http://www.organicteatreeoil.com/everyday-essentials/sunblock/sunblock-spf-15-citrus-0
And remember that cholecalciferol is vitamin D (ergocalciferol is another form of vitamin D so avoid that one too).
Does anyone else have a sunscreen they buy in Canada that has 10% or more zinc oxide?
I'm thinking that since Canada is becoming somewhat more obsessed about vitamin D than some other countries, people better check other products they use. Sometimes formulas are changed without notice. I think they may be more likely to add it to anything with a sunscreen in it because they may see it as making up for the less amount of UV radiation when wearing a sunscreen. You might check any cosmetics too and any other products you can think of that could potentially add it.
Joyce Waterhouse
Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2008 01:40 by jcwat101
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keotea
Member in Phase 3
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 13:35 |
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Please clarify you are saying to avoid Newco Sunblock SPF 15?
I do not see ergocalciferol in the ingredients in Newco Sunblock SPF 15 .
Thanks Joyce!
Tom
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jcwat101
Research Professional
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 15:40 |
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Yes -- that is the one to avoid -- the one linked to in my post above. Cholecalciferol, the type of vitamin D from animals is on the ingredient list (ergocalciferol is the type of vitamin D from plants/fungae).
Joyce Waterhouse
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Shadowfeet
Member in Phase 2
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 06:54 |
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I have been using "Natural Instinct - Natural mineral sunblock cream". It has 15% Zinc Oxide.
http://www.naturalinstinct.com.au
Available from some chemists and health food shops in Australia.
Low-irritant, no artificial fragrance, no parabens, no chemical UV absorbers.
It absorbs into the skin pretty well. I find it slightly too greasy to use on my face, but I have combination/oily skin - it would probably be okay on normal skin.
Also, Megan Gale's Invisible Zinc has been reformulated and now has 18% Zinc Oxide. There is also a product called "Tinted Daywear", which has a lighter consistency to use on the face - it has the same amount of ZnO.
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jcwat101
Research Professional
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 12:34 |
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Canadians,
I would particularly appreciate any Canadians letting us know, including a link or ingredient list if available, any higher % zinc oxide (or even titanium dioxide) sunscreens you have found (10% and above). Some in Canada find the cost of importing the ones from the U.S. rather high. And in Canada, in particular, please check and look for the synonyms of Vitamin D, cholecalciferol or ergocalciferol, D3, or Vitamin D on the ingredient list and let us know if you find it (other skin care products too). Like I said, check again any you use, as ingredients change.
Shadowfeet,
Perhaps if you wouldn't mind posting or PMing me a list of the ingredients and I could check it out.
Thanks,
Joyce Waterhouse
Last edited on Sun May 18th, 2008 12:36 by jcwat101
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lionel forbes
Member in Phase 3
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Posted: Sat May 24th, 2008 05:44 |
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| if you can find a compounding pharmacy,ask it to add zinc oxide to make a standard cream up to 30 percent zinc oxide. simple
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