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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 06:04 |
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Raisins - if you count the carbs very carefully 
Everything is relative...
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Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 06:24 |
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Oh!
Thanks for the happy thought.
I hope to be counting carbs much more carefully soon.
...I would have caught your post sooner, but I was shopping for
 sugar-free chocolate
per study site suggestions
linked in previous post.
 
Back to the topic we are posting under...
How about those sick cows that have all the same symptoms as Crohn's Disease, but are diagnosed with a differently named disease?
In cattle [mycobacterium paratuberculosis] can cause an illness called Johne's disease - a wasting, diarrhoeal condition.
TPTB wouldn't like to impact the dairy industry with the bother of having to cull milk producing cows that just happen to have a "wasting, diarrhoeal condition." How inconvenient. And how could humans possibly be affected by milk from these sick cows anyhow?
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 13:25 |
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Joyful,
The sugar-free chocolate in America is loaded with sugar alcohols, and I am not sure they are all that much different from sugar. I use Cadbury's Dairy Milk chocolate from Rite-Aid (etc) which uses normal sugar, but comes in at only 22 calories per square, as a compromise between sweetness and taste. This is a British/Australian chocolate, which tend to be far less sweet than their American counterparts. If you buy it from Cost Plus World Market you can get the imported version, which is even smoother than the version made in America (under license) by Hersheys.
Veterinary medicine has developed a better understanding of these infections than human medicine, After all, they routinely use prophylactic antibiotics on cattle, and tetracycline antibiotics at that
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Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 03:41 |
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Vets don't have to cater to insurance companies with 'standards of care.' Maybe they are allowed to think out of the box a little bit more?
Interesting that they use the tetracyclines. Also interesting if the cows are maintained on pasture 100% of the time they don't get the common dairy diseases. Seems that living on concrete and non-grass feed is bad for the cow's health. That's where the Johne's disease begins to show up.
Ok, shopping for low carb chocolate (see photo here) ... I prefer dark chocolate BTW.- Brick - 2 lbs - Prima Materia 100%
- 100% pure cacao formulated as edible gold. The darkest bar in our collection, a baking or eating bar. A careful blend and extra smooth finish make this palatable enough to eat. Scored in 10 sections for ease of use in baking.
- Ingredient: 100% organic cacao beans*
Just looking at this chocolate is helping right now. Maybe I'll even order some.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 04:33 |
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Heck, that's expensive. Rite-Aid has the US Cadbury's bars at $1.59 (or 99c on special)
The imported stuff is readily available too
http://www.englishteastore.com/cadamich1035.html
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Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 04:55 |
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Joyful - I recommend LINDT dark chocolates. I am hooked on their 70% cocoa with only 28% sugar (they also make an even darker, 85% too,)and has no milk or butter in it either. It has the best "mouth-feel" (chocolatier's term for that wonderful, smooth melting texture) and YES, you can get it in America. It is originally Swiss. Great with nuts for a relatively healthy treat. IN MODERATION 
I am not sure, but afraid that some of the milk chocolates in America also have "vitamin D" added to the milk before it is used in the chocolate making! Trevor/Board - do you know if this could be the case?
Regarding use of antibiotics in animal husbandry - could they be causing animals to have Th1 (or equivalent) disease, too? I mean, if the wrong type is also being used - not the tetracyclines? That could then be a source of CWD bacteria, in troduced to our guts, hence Crohn's and other diseases perhaps?
I've been wondering if the mystery behind the contagious cancer which is decimating the Tasmanian Devil population might be something they originally contracted from eating livestock carrion (since that's what they do.) Scientists here in Australia are looking for but not finding a viral cause... just a thought. Sorry, it's a bit off topic.
Mind wandering ---  Claudia
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Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 05:12 |
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Yes, Lindt are nice
As for Vit D, I stick with the Cadbury brand, even though they are made under liceinse in the US by Hersheys, it is under strict quality control. The import does tase a little better, even then...
While our minds are wandering off-topic - in America you can buy a slice of bread containing 1600 IU of Vitamin D (per slice). Here is the product: http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050507/food.asp
The same manufacturer apparently also sells dark chocolate that has 2000 IU of Vitamin D per piece.
Many MP folk seem to be made ill by one egg yolk - about 60 IU, so I think a good New Years resolution would be to avoid this 'fortified' stuff...
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 00:54 |
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All I can say about the fortified bread and chocolate is... YIKES!!! Who is watching out for our health???
 Just us, I guess.
I posted this elsewhere on January 1, 2008:
Today I discovered Google's new Beta, Google Scholar. Just for fun, the first search I tried was CWD bacteria. Top hit was Dr. Marshall's "Sarcoidosis succumbs to antibiotics" and of course, Mattman, Cantwell, Koch were on the first page as well. I laughed to see that the number two hit was from "Veterinary Microbiology" because of the recent dialog about the cows having a disease like Crohn's disease, but caused by bacteria (not autoimmune, like the human doctors think).
I am very appreciative of you all taking your time to provide your chocolate shopping advice!
But I think our preferences may be a bit different. I prefer the darkest, darkest chocolate. Also, fair trade means something to me. Organic + fair trade + very dark = optimal for me. My last batch of Dagoba bars were eaten mostly at the rate of 1/5 oz per day. Too bad I finished off the case I purchased last spring just last night. Looking at my budget these days, I may just have to go without chocolate for a while. 
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Posted: Tue Jan 15th, 2008 02:38 |
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Dr Trevor Marshall wrote: Raisins - if you count the carbs very carefully
Everything is relative...
Speaking of counting carbs...is limiting carb intake to around 100g per day (divided into 3 or 4 meals) a reasonable level? Or would it be better to aim for even fewer?
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Posted: Tue Jan 15th, 2008 06:10 |
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Hi Russ,
This link might answer your question: Low carbohydrate diet
also, there are more links here: Food-Basic Information.
Note this quote from the first link:
Our recommendation for a low carbohydrate diet is intentionally nonspecific. There are many options available and individual needs will vary.
I think that the key is to listen to your body and adapt to what you learn from it!
~Joyful~
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Posted: Tue Jan 15th, 2008 23:56 |
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"In 1999, Czechoslovakian researchers Binderova and Rysanek showed that if pre- pasteurization contamination is high, dangerous levels of L. monocytogenes and E. coli O157:H7 can survive high-temperature short-time pasteurization. Various Bacillus and Clostridium species and Mycobacterium paratuberculosis may also survive pasteurization.
Heat-treatment can cause bacteria to enter into a state of dormancy from which they can potentially recover in the human intestine. This state of dormancy can cause typical laboratory culture techniques to underestimate the actual presence of E. coli in heat-treated milk 100-fold. " (From page 53 of: Raw Milk and Raw Milk Products: Safety, Health, Economic, and Legal Issues.)
Do you think that this "state of dormancy" that foils "typical laboratory culture techniques" has any relation to L-forms?
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 00:36 |
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Yes, indeed.
Take a listen to the conference interviews from Canada in this old sarc-info thread.
http://sarcinfo.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=5320&t=5320
Note especially that the L-forms can survive indefinitely in dry earth...
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 03:18 |
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I read the link about "Raw Milk...."
My immediate thought is, "How can supposedly educated and intelligent people in government come up with decisions to subject people to mass-induced ill-health?"
This is really a case of Jonesville here in the modern U.S of A.
Combined this with the push for "vitamin D", it becomes mass-murder, by government indict.
Wishing all wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 04:17 |
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Dr. Marshall, Thank you so very much for these links!
I have now listened to both the CBC Radio One "Bacteria Revolution" broadcasts and they are fantastic! The information is out there. The popular media has a lot of catching up to do!
George, Which would you rather believe?
1. The government officials are well-meaning, but simply unable to understand the facts.
2. These officials are biased towards a position that benefits a large industry that somehow feels threatened by the small individual farms supplying a small (but growing) population that find the health benefits of raw milk worth spreading the word about.
If you find this topic provocative, check out the book "The Untold Story of Millk" and you will have a better understanding why the anti-raw milk bias prevails. In fact tommorow there will be a hearing to try to keep the California legislature from outlawing raw milk there.
Now, thinking about the above study showing that pasturization may simple force present pathogens into an L-form, it seems like a properly managed organic, grass-fed, raw milk dairy would in fact be producing the safest milk. The constant testing of every batch of milk from Organic Pastures shows no pathogens (you can find these test results online).
The testing at dairies run by standard industrial practices always have pathogens in the milk. And now the study mentioned above says that means we are drinking pasturized milk with "stealth" bacteria that may overcome our immune system and lead to a chronic disease, such as Crohn's Disease at some point in our life.
Now, let's add Vitamin D to the milk to suppress the immune system too!
Last edited on Wed Jan 16th, 2008 04:30 by Joyful
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I have to admit reading so much to consume, even over my short period of time here, absolutely blows my fog-ridden mind. The old ideas are being blown out of the water it seems, and one wonders what is actually safe to eat anymore, or drink. We have contamination of our big city water supplies according to the lastest news that is grossing out consumers when it's pointed out that significant quantities of antibiotics, pain killers, and a host of drug products are being eliminated after treated bodies are flushing this fecal/urine contamination down the sewer lines, only to be "treated" at sewage treatment plants to be reintoduced into the man-made lakes around us here, as I'm sure around the world for recycling this waste-filled "treated" garbage for our reconsumption back into our daily water faucet supplies. I find it impossible to believe that any waste treatment facilities are ridding this mess of all the contaminants of God knows what back into our daily water consuption. It seems the mere ingestion of food daily is toxic to some degree.
Now, we find out that Vitamin D,,(a steroid?) so advocated as essential is actually a toxic steroid that actually is harmful to the human body? Is all of this Th1 information likely conducive to the spread of a host of maladies and diseases of enormous infections that have created an epidemic of worldly proportions that lead to our demise at all ages? Are the daily intakes into our guts leading to the diseases of Celiac, Crohn's, and a whole gamut of autoimmune diseases that offer up later the fatalities attributed to heart diseases, and all organ system diseases that have precursor causes brought on by the initiation of Th1 phenomena?
I readily admit I'm no biochemist, and am pitifully inadequate to profess much understanding of all this latent bacterial by-product pathology, but it seems our esteemed colleagues of the American Medical Association, moved primarily by greed, and an apparent lack of real knowledge about what they treat, are only adding insult to injury by the development over the years of immunosuppressant therapies, with a host of toxic drug therapies, along with contaminated food supplementation of things like Vitamin D. This is only a drop in the bucket of what are hundreds of maladies that represent manifestations of toxic poisoning due to our enormous addiction to sugars, high carb diets, protein infected and poisoned meats, gluten sensitivities of common alimentary problems produced by what have been considered "health food" cereals, and whole grains so promoted as healthful when in fact these contaminated, over-treated products on all the grocery shelves are in fact, very toxic, with the common wheat-gluten virtually used on nearly every product sold in a majority of foods?
From the plethora of contaminants, and common allergy sensitivities so commonly seen these days, or being recognized as toxic responses, I am not surprised at the huge display of sicknesses around the world. We get into unwinnable wars, killing off people by the thousands, yet at the same time we ar injesting a huge amount of foods and drinks that are leading to our certain multiple illnesses that are being treated entirely wrong, with the perspective that immunosuppression is the only relief and route to go, when in fact, it is only leading us further into problems not recognized nor appreciated by the vast majority of medical so-called professionals.
Now with all these autoimmune problems, it's no wonder people are mentally affected around this nation and the world with a host of contaminants unexcelled in human history.
Maybe this does not belong in this particular topic, but I see a huge amount of apathy among many who have no clue as to what is destroying millions in our societies. It is the fate of mankind to sort out the weak, and weed them into early graves by such endeavors mostly sought for the purpose of greed? The fact is, I find that nobody much cares about these complex multiple pathological pathways. Now I have to go to work. Muffin anybody? Add to that a glass of milk and have a nice day. All this stuff is a wonder to behold. May Dr. Marshall and others pursuing this madness of sickness for cures continue to make inroads into what is a pitifully inadequate medical profession currently.
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Posted: Tue Mar 11th, 2008 12:54 |
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Goliad,
Napoleon once said "Never ascribe to conspiracy what is adequately explained by incompetence." I would prefer to think that the AMA is not intentionally trying to make people sick, although I would be happier if they were actively seeking to foster dissemination of new scientific knowledge.
Vitamin D is a seco-steroid. It is not a toxin. It acts as a suppressant of the innate immune system, similar to the way corticosteroids suppress adaptive and innate immunity. It is immunosuppressive, but it is not a toxin. It will prove to be a handy drug, once Medicine comes to understand its actions with more clarity.
Chronic disease accounts for more than 75% of spending on Health Care in America. It is not caused by toxins, it is caused by bacteria living in intraphagocytic metagenomic biofilm-protected communities. Toxins in our environment do harm, but they do not cause chronic disease. It is important to focus on what is actually making us ill
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