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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 09:28 |
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Heard the Cancer Council here in Australia promoting sun exposure to increase vitamin d levels (in winter where UV below 3 and so apparently not skin cancer risk) because of some association with I think they mentioned colon cancer.
Sigh.
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Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 15:27 |
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I don't know why this interests me so, but here is JJ Cannell speaking about vitamin D:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/mercola/videos/75/
I think he's completely wrong, but listening to him is almost hypnotic.
Here's another one that's hypnotic:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/mercola/videos/154/
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 00:43 |
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I was doing research for a class project and I stumbled upon an interesting hypothesis as to the beginning of the modern vitamin D movement. There was a physician in England in 1981 who supposedly published that more people were sick in winter than summer. The Garland brothers then concluded that the reason for this was the seasonal change in vitamin D exposure and have since build a career trying to prove that hypothesis.
The Garland brothers are included as members of the vitamin D Council who call themselves “world class experts”. Quoting from their web site:
“Listed below are some of the world's most prominent vitamin D scientists. Considered world-class experts, their extensive knowledge of, and dedication to, the science of vitamin D is evident in the invaluable contribution each has made to humanity's current understanding of vitamin D…”
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/scientists.shtml
Also, it is interesting to read about John Jacob Cannell, MD. Again quoting from this web site:
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/cannellBiography.shtml
“…In 2003, he (Cannell) recruited professional colleagues, friends, and family for a board of directors and took the steps necessary to incorporate The Vitamin D Council as a tax exempt, nonprofit, 501(c)(e) corporation…’
If you read about Cannell’s history of past “crusades” (in the above referenced site) you will get the impression he is a Don Quixote looking for a windmill.
However, they (Council members) are a considerable force in the modern vitamin D movement and will probably go to the grave thinking they are right.
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 00:58 |
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World class experts probably isn't such a stretch. The Vitamin D scientists are pretty prominent. All they have to do is point to the studies on vitamin D because most of the researchers are saying exactly what they want. I don't know if they were taunting us but they even put in Trevor's 2004 paper under sarcoidosis.
The season of birth connection is interesting. Here's a quote from the KB article on why chronic disease is caused by pathogens:
In temperate climates the frequency of late winter and early spring births is generally 5 to 15 percent greater among babies that eventually develop schizophrenia than among controls.17) This association suggests some seasonal environmental influence, such as exposure to infectious agents, which often peaks during winter months. The association was not found in Singapore, where distinct warm and cold seasons are absent.18) Another statistically significant month of birth distribution was found for patients who suffer from Graves' disease and Hashimoto's thyroiditis, which are collectively known as autoimmune thyroiditis.19)
If you want to read something else interesting, check out the tail end of this KB section:
One of the great mysteries in human biology is the fact that most human breast milk is deficient in vitamin D. How could Nature overlook such an important nutrient in the “perfect food”?
~Vitamin D Council
Indeed, quite the mystery! It's interesting how befuddled the Vitamin D Council is that breast milk contains low levels of D.
One final thing: check out how sunshine exposure "causes" teenage pregnancy.
It's abundantly clear – just like the maps that show cancer is caused by vitamin D deficiency, eh? 
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 01:45 |
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Paul, I think that the alternate hypothesis in the case of pregnant teenagers has to do with it being too cold to take off clothes in the northern latitudes. 
I note that the NIH has awarded Creighton University $4 million to continue what Creighton is calling their “Landmark Study” even though the first study was fraught with errors and “Bad Science”. Interesting, but not surprising, that all the criticisms of the first study were completely disregarded.
“…The National Institutes of Health has awarded Creighton University $4 million to continue its landmark study linking vitamin D to a reduction in cancer risk…
…The study’s findings, reported in June 2007, showed for the first time in a clinical trial that postmenopausal women consuming calcium as well as vitamin D3 supplements at nearly three times U.S. government recommended levels could reduce their risk of cancer by 60-77 percent…”
http://www2.creighton.edu/publicrelations/newscenter/news/2009/january2009/january262009/lappe_4million_grant_012609/index.php
Some of the criticisms of the first study included:
1. Conflict of interest with regard to authors Recker and Heaney who were associated with vitamin manufactures and Heaney is a vitamin D council member.
2. The study should have grouped the placebo and calcium only members to compare with the calcium and vitamin D group.
3. There were no criteria for participant exclusion on basis of past smoking, genetic history of breast cancer, and no one asked if any of these women who averaged over age 67 if they had a hysterectomy. These three cancers (lung, breast, and uterus) accounted for 59% of the total cancers.
4. When questioned about selecting vitamin D dosage the authors referred to a previous paper to claim vitamin D in these doses was safe. However when you go to that study you see that two of the authors, Heaney and another vitamin D council member Vieth, reassured all that D in these doses was safe. A side note is that Vieth’s wife was quoted in a Canadian paper that she sold 30,000 of her vitamin D product in the two days following the publication of this paper.
5. The study was only 4 years long, much too short for a cancer study, but then the authors decided to report only on the last 3 years and not consider the first year on the basis that any cancers were in process and could be discounted.
Anyway, there were many other things done wrong to completely disregard any results but no one took a close look to see the warts.
If you want to see what is considered good science by the vitamin D council spend some time and read this study!!!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17556697
Because of claimed vitamin D deficiencies in the diet of breastfeeding mothers, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is doubling the amount of vitamin D it recommends for infants, from 200 IU per day to 400 IU per day beginning in the first two months of life.
IMO, this is reckless and irresponsible!!! There is danger in recommending use of a substance when the exact manner in which it works is not fully understood!!!
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Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 05:05 |
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Paul,
Thanks for giving us this glimpse into the Knowledge Base while it's under construction. What you've shown us is so easy to read and so informative. I'm looking forward to its release into production. Excellent writing!
KenLast edited on Thu May 28th, 2009 05:11 by kenc
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 08:21 |
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One of the great mysteries in human biology is the fact that most human breast milk is deficient in vitamin D. How could Nature overlook such an important nutrient in the “perfect food”?
~Vitamin D Council
Paul
 whatever happened to Mother knows best 
my feminist leaning also prompts me to ask
What proportion of the Vitamin D Council are females?
What proportion have experience in breast feeding and child rearing (as opposed to pontificating)? 
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 12:55 |
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Sounds like the Vitamin D Council hasn't put two and two together that the "perfect food" is "deficient in Vitamin D" because it doesn't need it. It's incredible how they are unable or refuse to consider that their theory just doesn't make much sense when they start to battle nature itself - good grief! Surely they must realize that chronic disease is on the increase and that we consume more Vitamin D today than we did one century ago?!
After all, how is it that so many people on the MP who've eliminated Vitamin D from their diet are almost all seeing improvements in their health?
It's likely that they're eventually going to go down in history like a lead zeppelin succumbing to gravity...
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Posted: Sun May 31st, 2009 17:13 |
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One of the great mysteries in human biology is the fact that most human breast milk is deficient in vitamin D. How could Nature overlook such an important nutrient in the “perfect food”?
~Vitamin D Council
This statement by the Vitamin D Council is simply an act of hubris. In the context of the field of science, those individuals whose minds function in this manner are clearly more interested in maintaining their own reputation at the risk of doing great harm to others regardless of what the facts show them.
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 19:18 |
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Dr. Marshall-
Well my, my look what the hit airwaves today, June 5th 2009. The article is titled "The case against ergocalciferol (vitamin D2) as a vitamin supplement" and compliments of "The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition." I think it would have been more appropriate if they released it tomorrow, June 6th, as it's the 65th anniversary of the Allied landing in Normandy, otherwise known as "D-Day."
-> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/84/4/694
Note the last sentence of the Conclusion which states the following:
"Therefore, vitamin D2 should no longer be regarded as a nutrient appropriate for supplementation of fortification of foods."
Kudos to Trevor and his body of work as well as the volunteers that have supported him over these past 9 years. With warm regards, great admiration and appreciation...
Sincerely yours,
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 19:39 |
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Tikbitten,
I was really excited until I saw the author: Veith. If you look at it closely, he thinks the form of vitamin D derived from plants, vitamin D2 is bad – but only in comparison to vitamin D3. In other words, D2 doesn't pack quite the same immunosuppressive punch as D3.
Now if we wanted to be devious we could take this out of context. But that was not the original intent.
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 19:45 |
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It is indeed good news; but to continue the analogy of June 6th, we have only landed on the beach at Normandy. There is more fight ahead before Victory; but I am sure we'll make it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 20:09 |
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Veith is one of the strongest advocates of vitamin D supplementation. All he's doing is saying one form is better than another.... I love the D-day turn of phrase. We'll have to save that for later.
PaulLast edited on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 21:02 by paulalbert
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 03:23 |
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I believe our history for the last 20,000 years has been to avoid sun
and then go hunt at night .
Then when sunrise came we returned to our caves.
Our bodies developed vitamin D factories in our skin.
I think we are a very adept at surviving without sunshine.
And yes many people can believe the wrong thing for their entire lives.
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Frans
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 16:55 |
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paulalbert wrote: Veith. If you look at it closely, he thinks the form of vitamin D derived from plants, vitamin D2 is bad – but only in comparison to vitamin D3. In other words, D2 doesn't pack quite the same immunosuppressive punch as D3.
Now if we wanted to be devious we could take this out of context.
So let us put in in the right context:
mr Vieth sells Ddrops, which is D3. (http://www.ddrops.ca/)
If you take D2 he does't make money.
So he tells you D2 is bad and D3 is good.
He also tells us to stay out of the sun, which might give you skincancer. Again, he hopes you buy D3 so he makes a buck.
Another thing he is telling us, is that livercod oil is also very bad for you, since it contains vit. A, which will kill your vit. D.
So again, please buy (Vieth's) D3, so he can buy that beautiful condo he saw in Miami ...
(BTW tell this to eskimos and they will die laughing ... not because of a deficiency in vit. D or vit. A toxicity...)
That should be the right contrext, I guess ?
Or am I being a bit harsh here ? ... if so, please delete this post, I don't want to upset people
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 18:25 |
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I agree with you, Frans.
Just to be clear, I think Veith founded his Ddrops company after this 2006 paper. Otherwise he would have to list his Ddrops as a conflict of interest, which he didn't do.
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I agree also, Frans.
HANG IN THERE, WE WILL MAKE IT!!!BARNEY
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Frans
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 19:56 |
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Paul, I am not sure when Vieth went into the D Drops business. See this link:
- http://www.infactcanada.ca/Action_Alert_Vitamin_D.htm
It is from 2005 and already raises big questions about D Drops manufacturers who have been instrumental in getting the RDA's higher in Canada.
I also found a linkin profile of a mister Simon Vieth, who worked for DDrops inc from january 2007. Very close to this 2006 paper ...
I think that if you look at Vieth's latest papers, you will most probably see that he never declares competing interests ... It is his wife selling those drops ... He does not benefit from it ... or something ... 
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 20:26 |
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Did you ever see Stephen Strauss's article?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_strauss/20080213.html
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 20:33 |
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I did Paul, I was almost quoting him
What I don't understand is that he is still publishing and these editors ignore that the Vieth Household is literally making hundreds of thousands of dollars profit on basis of his 'scientific' work.
Perhaps we should mail those editors, Make them understand what is happening?
Frans
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