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jlunn247
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 11:10 |
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I found the question! Great now me and Sancho can get back to fighting dragons.
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dark sunglasses hands & face exposed. Medium herx
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jcwat101
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 15:47 |
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Deedee,
I think it depends to a certain extent on the person and the exposures, where their D comes from. The MP approach is to focus on D from the diet as a source for 25-D and avoid sun to the extent the sun sensitivity indicates.
Ken,
The 25D and 1,25D that is measured is from the blood. They only measure it locally in the skin in an occasional lab study. I don't know how much gets to the blood stream from the skin -- it may vary.
Joyce Waterhouse
PS Sunscreen Overview has some information relevant to these questions:
http://tinyurl.com/ca76l6 (e.g., see Addendum)
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Deedee
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 16:22 |
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CVS Pharmacy, which is located in the southeastern US, offers a generic product like
Neutrogena’s Helioplex (identical ingredients) for a much smaller cost.
I use this every day and put it on my face, neck, arms and hands before leaving the house, along with my protective clothing.
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Sarc in lymph nodes. D15. Modified Ph II; Mino/Clindy; Benicar 4X/day. Lipids high. 7/07 check-up: Normal PFTs/CXR improved; Quecentin/guaifensin if lymph nodes hurt. Began MP 8/08
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jlunn247
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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 20:05 |
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I wish there was more science related media for the mp.
like a radio program or tv.
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Sarc/lungs/joint pain TMJnerve pain 125D56 25D16 Ph1Mar07 ModPh2Jun07 Ph2Nov07 PHase3Feb08 albuterol
dark sunglasses hands & face exposed. Medium herx
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NorCalJim
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Posted: Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 23:55 |
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I went onto the Quest Diagnostics site today to lookup a test and saw that they have a video on their webpage called "Vitamin D Testing -- Why it Matters, How it's Done." Forgive me if it's old news, I don't remember hearing about it here before...
http://www.vitamindtestfacts.com/
NorCalJim
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 16:51 |
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Hi, Everyone,
I am still doing the MP protocol. Just to XXXX busy to do any posting...involved in two legal cases. However, I think that this should be posted. It was pointed out to me by Ann from Illinois, whom Trevor has talked with previously, too.
http://www.groworganic.com/item_PAB061_Quintox_Mouse__Rat_Bait_Pail_of_.html
As you can read, the product has been pulled from the market place. The manufacturer has pulled his information from his website. I expect that this site will probably pull the information soon, also.
I wonder if someone could copy this ad to this site for posterity????
I wonder what government agency is protecting the public? or how much money has changed hands?
Wishing all wellness! 
Dark Vader (George)
Category: Weed & Pest Control:Animal and Bird Controleer & Varmint Control
Click to see larger picture
This item (PAB061) is not currently available. No longer available from the manufacturer -- click here to see part #PAB063.
Mouse & Rat Bait Active ingredient in Quintox is cholecalciferol or vitamin D3. When ingested, it mobilizes calcium from the rodent's bones into its bloodstream, producing hypercalcemia and heart failure. Quintox acts faster than anticoagulants, causing death in 2 to 4 days, with feeding stopping immediately once the rodent eats a lethal dose. Testing has shown this bait to be highly effective, even against anticoagulant resistant rodent populations. Very little risk of secondary poisoning (e.g., if your cat or dog catches a poisoned mouse). However, pets and children should be kept from being able to access and/or consume the bait (please note that rodents may move the bait around, so exercise vigilance and caution if pets and/or children are a factor).
Unit Ship Weight: 4 lbs.
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Borreliosis:7/14/04--125D=57,25D=61. Ben 9/1/04. Mino 10/5/04. 4/13/05--125D=58,25D=43. 8/17/05--125D=52,25D=36. April 06=125D=38,25D=29. 8/29/06--125D=37,25D=29. June 07 25D=23. Oct31'07,25D=19.
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kenc
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 19:57 |
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George,
Why was this product pulled from the market? Was it considered too dangerous for pets and kids?
Ken
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 20:50 |
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Ken, I have no idea of why it was pulled from the market. I have attempted to contact them via email just yesterday to ask them that question, feigning continued interest in "using the product for my warehouse", which warehouse I do actually own and use. I had purchased a bucket of the product last year from Peaceful Valley Farm Supply when Desert Marie brought the product to our attention. I have not heard from the manufacturer, Bell Laboratories Inc. of Madison, WI, yet. Desert Marie was the one who brought the product to our attention. I was hoping to bring the product to everyone's attention that they have taken Quintox off the market by today's post. I think it is significant that they have done so. Madison, WI is the birthplace of at least the synthesizing of cholecalciferol, to my understanding, and that the Un of WI is the owner of the patented process, I think. WI was a very BIG dairy state back prior to the WWII. IMHO, cholecalciferol was used to sell milk then, with the rickets scare, and everything else today. And sure is keeping the OMC (orthodox medical community) busy seeing patients.
Wishing all wellness!
Dark Vader (George)
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Borreliosis:7/14/04--125D=57,25D=61. Ben 9/1/04. Mino 10/5/04. 4/13/05--125D=58,25D=43. 8/17/05--125D=52,25D=36. April 06=125D=38,25D=29. 8/29/06--125D=37,25D=29. June 07 25D=23. Oct31'07,25D=19.
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Rico
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Posted: Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 23:44 |
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Does the FDA authorize Vitamin D3 in supplements or is it all D2?
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No diagnosis/some symptoms; wife with Sarc on MP; Olm 40mg q6h| avoid D| 1,25D=63 25D=32 (May 2006) 1,25D=44; 25D=10(Dec 2006)PhaseI(May06) PhaseII(Aug06) PhaseIII(Aug07)
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Chris
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 01:23 |
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Why was this product pulled from the market? Was it considered too dangerous for pets and kids?
There's another link to VitD being used as rat poison around here somewhere. The page was put up by a Veterinarian student, and he pointed out that there is NO antidote for VitD poisoning, which is why it's dangerous for all humans (and maybe mammals?).
I think this is the one: http://www.nearlydrferox.blogging4life.com/?p=143
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D25/1,25: Mar04 17/80, Sep04 12/50, Nov04 8/23, Jan05 9/39 May05 6/27; in phase3; fevers, muscle pain, tinnitus, depression, mental-fog, IBS, carpal-tunnel, fatigue, osteopenia
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Deedee
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 01:29 |
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I am very concerned at the number of people being prescribed D,even people with sarciodosis, without a second thought. I think it is becoming epidemic. I post on another site and I am continuously shocked at the number of people who are taking D or whose Dr's recommend that they take D, and even with all of the literature and all of the discussion, they still take the D.
I talk until I am blue in the face and for some, the Almight Doctor is the gospel, in spite of the facts in front of their face.
Anyone doctor that prescribes D to a sarcoidosis patient or person with granuloma disease, or who prescribes without at least doing the D1,25 test, is guilty of malpractice IMO.
Think of all of the people being hurt today due to this stupid Vitamin D craze. A few years ago "normal" was 10 or more and now if a doctor sees a D below 30, they freak out and write a prescription. I think my body was fighting off the sarcoidosis for many years (my husband has sarcoidosis), but the year I supplemented with D was the foot-hold the bacteria needed to really take over.
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Sarc in lymph nodes. D15. Modified Ph II; Mino/Clindy; Benicar 4X/day. Lipids high. 7/07 check-up: Normal PFTs/CXR improved; Quecentin/guaifensin if lymph nodes hurt. Began MP 8/08
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kenc
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 01:40 |
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the Almight Doctor is the gospel
Deedee,
Unless the training for doctors has changed recently, to my knowledge they don't get any instruction in nutrition. They may learn about nutrition later on their own.
Of course most of the nutritionists and dieticians would probably also recommend vitamin D supplements. However, I know a dietician on the MP who would not recommend vitamin D supplements. She's a rebel among her peers - a fish swimming against the current.
Ken
Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 01:42 by kenc
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Deedee
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 01:42 |
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How hard can it be? There are warning labels on the bottle, for pete's sake.
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Sarc in lymph nodes. D15. Modified Ph II; Mino/Clindy; Benicar 4X/day. Lipids high. 7/07 check-up: Normal PFTs/CXR improved; Quecentin/guaifensin if lymph nodes hurt. Began MP 8/08
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tigerEye
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 03:38 |
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| I have been thinking of that for years now because I was taking so many vitamins with D for bone along with calcium and lots of the drinks had vit D also. It's really bad that so much of our food is tampered with making it dangerous. I have also been reading about the effects of Soy products on the thyroid gland, yet we are encouraged to eat lots of soy. I no longer trust food except natural foods that are organically grown....maybe !!!!
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Sarcoid~ Lungs, Lymph Nodes, Neuro? ~Fibromyalgia,Costochondritis, TMJ,CFS 1996 ~ before MP: plaquenil, methotrexate, prednisone; 2003> Benicar Only MP, Benicar 40mg ~ Mino q48hm 2004; Noirs,diet. Completed Phase 2 Fall 2008,Restart PH
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kenc
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 05:09 |
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tigerEye,
What is food? In the past we determined what was edible and what was not by trial and error. Now we can decide with science. Unfortunately, science isn't always objective and free of self interest. So it isn't easy. However, I think we're better off by sticking to real foods and not the synthetic junk that is sold as food. I like the advice in the book "In Defence of Food" by Michael Pollan. I'm very skeptical about vitamin and mineral supplements. To me they are useful in the same way drugs are: to help the sick. They are not food. They should never be included in food (ex. vitamin D in milk).
KenLast edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 05:10 by kenc
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tigerEye
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 05:26 |
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Yes, once food became business years ago, we have no idea what we are eating now. I will check out the book you mentioned, thank you. I go to the Farmers Markets and buy fresh veggies and fruit and even get the ground meat there from a local rancher that is only grass fed no additives. I don't even like to go out to eat anywhere now because who knows what is in that food. 
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Catherine
Sarcoid~ Lungs, Lymph Nodes, Neuro? ~Fibromyalgia,Costochondritis, TMJ,CFS 1996 ~ before MP: plaquenil, methotrexate, prednisone; 2003> Benicar Only MP, Benicar 40mg ~ Mino q48hm 2004; Noirs,diet. Completed Phase 2 Fall 2008,Restart PH
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NickBowler
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 13:55 |
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-06-22-vitaminD-fishoil_N.htm?csp=34
20 million dollars! The kids won't stand a chance!
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Deedee
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 14:50 |
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"People with dark skin are unable to make much vitamin D from sunlight, and researchers think this deficiency may help explain why blacks have higher rates of cancer, stroke and heart disease"
Nick, that sure is a leap to link higher rates of disease among African Americans to Vitamin D.
I wonder how they intend to control for lack of access to health care, stress, the unusually high rate of unemployment, diet, weight, smoking and other factors that can also account for high rates of cancer, stroke and heart disease?
After what researchers did to African American males in Tuskegee Alabama
I don't believe I would be so quick to sign up for that study if I were African American.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_Untreated_Syphilis_in_the_Negro_Male)
Good grief.
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Sarc in lymph nodes. D15. Modified Ph II; Mino/Clindy; Benicar 4X/day. Lipids high. 7/07 check-up: Normal PFTs/CXR improved; Quecentin/guaifensin if lymph nodes hurt. Began MP 8/08
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tigerEye
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 18:17 |
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Dee Dee, Absolutely !!!!!! And, part of the reason for no research into Sarcoidosis in the early years was because it was thought to only affect AA population. And, we like to believe we are the Best Nation !!!!!!!
Read History and we learn some of the horrors of our own country.  
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Catherine
Sarcoid~ Lungs, Lymph Nodes, Neuro? ~Fibromyalgia,Costochondritis, TMJ,CFS 1996 ~ before MP: plaquenil, methotrexate, prednisone; 2003> Benicar Only MP, Benicar 40mg ~ Mino q48hm 2004; Noirs,diet. Completed Phase 2 Fall 2008,Restart PH
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Caitiegirl
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 18:54 |
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What's really bothersome is that heart disease, cancer, and stroke are most likely lagging diagnoses in the Th1 spectrum. What will they do with all of the new RA, migrane, depression, OCD, MS, lupus, etc sufferers. Will they be cut from the study or will they see the connection?
Hopefully with the new papers and attention the MP is getting there will be a little bit of logical thought along the way.
Mindy
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