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MarkN
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Posted: Mon Feb 9th, 2009 04:48 |
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I discovered that I can bypass a cold by taking a Benicar at any moment I feel a tickle coming on, or at least every 4 hours, whichever comes first. I still feel tired and foggy (immune system working) but avoid all the sore throat and snot side of things.
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kenc
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 06:42 |
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I wouldn't be too quick to jump to the conclusion that you are avoiding a cold by taking SL Benicar.
1) How do you know that the cold symptoms you are getting are a sign of an impending cold? Perhaps, these are from some kind of immunopathology induced from the protocol.
2) How do you know there is a cause and effect. When I used SL Benicar to get rid of neurological symptoms, I purposely delayed the SL Benicar to ensure there was a cause and effect relationship. Delaying the SL Benicar delayed the remission of symptoms. Remission of symptoms took only a minute or two after taking the Benicar. I developed confidence in this cause and effect relationship.
Perhaps it would be a good test to take Benicar for every other onset of cold symptoms. This should help to determine the correct conclusion.
It would sure be wonderful if we could knock out a cold simply by taking Benicar. I suspect there will be lots of interesting effects discovered from re-activating the innate immune system with Benicar.
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Crohn's Disease 1984, 24May05 1,25D=33 25D=8.4, 6Sep05 1,25D=29 25D=12, 11Jun07 25D=<10.4 1,25D=10, 15Sep07 1,25D=14.2 25D=16, 12Jul05 Phase1 + pred, 12Jul06 Phase2 + pred/dexa, 14Aug07 Phase2, prednisone, dexamethasone, testosterone, aspirin, levothyr
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MarkN
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 18:30 |
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I think it does work, because I tried it when family members were sick, so I know it was a germ and not just IP. It is possible I wouldn't have gotten sick anyway. I have been on the MP for over 2 years. But normally I catch everything. It seems to help within 15 minutes, at least in a palliative way, but only for a tickle, not so much if you already have a sore throat.
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General insanity (Aspergers ??), CFS, some joint paint ...
11/06:1,25D=37 25D=43, 12/09:25D=5.4 ... Avoid D 12/06 ... PhaseOne 1/07, PhaseTwo 3/07, PhaseThree 9/07
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Limburg
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Posted: Wed Mar 18th, 2009 08:38 |
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Since I have MS,I havent't had a cold and/or fever.
The first thing happening when on MP was a terrible headache,followed by a "cold" with fever! (I'm only 2 months on MP now)
After 4 weeks I'm still coughing a lot,it seems as if my body wants to get rid of something in my lungs  (an X-ray of the thorax was made before and it looked clean,no strange noises in my lungs with stethoscope listening)
Other things are happening also,but this is the most significant so far.
I could believe something's woked up in there
Annemarie
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eClaire
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Posted: Sat Apr 18th, 2009 22:28 |
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I've just started reading this interesting thread and I think what is happening (generally) is how Bane explains it, and I also wonder about KFaucher's comment / question. I wonder about the experience of folk on the MP. Depending on where you might fall on Bane's continuum (if we applied a number to each point on the continuum) how might your response be to the protocol?
For example, I know folk who felt worse but then turned around at a much faster pace than me (2 1/3 years in and I'm not turning the corner yet; however, the light I see at the end of the tunnel is no longer based on faith alone). I never had a cold, rarely had a virus (many years in between), could have had sufficient IP on Benicar alone, had out of control IP initially, and am back to Mino alone (waiting for my high kidney labs to clear).
I'm thinking that we might see reactions to the MP that track where people would be on Bane's continuum.
At any rate, it would be interesting to know as it might be somewhat predictive of the MP experience.
Claire
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Dogster
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 21:34 |
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| Doesnt work for me. AS i got sicker and more chronic, the bugs became more frequent, lasted longer and also got more violent (with a greater of number symptoms showing up), -- so #1 and #2 and #3 dont hold up but #4 and #5 might . . . Just generally doesnt fit though . . .
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carol
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Posted: Sun Jun 7th, 2009 05:36 |
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I just reviewed this thread because my husband Phil, who is on the MP prophylactically, has a cold that just won’t go away.
This discussion reminded me of something Dr Blaney brought up in my consultation with him last February: the general adaptive syndrome.
Hans Selye pioneered the concept of the general adaptive syndrome in the 1980’s and Dr Blaney finds the model useful to describe how the immune system responds to the stress of infection by CWD bacteria, in its attempt to maintain homeostasis. As bacteria are killed, infected cells undergo apoptosis. This loss of cells and the release of cytokines produce immunopathology, which can be considered the actual “stressors”.
According to the general adaptive syndrome model, in the initial stages of disease, the acute phase, the body responds with symptoms that come and go. When the body enters the adaptive phase, no symptoms are evident. This is followed by the degenerative stage, during which it is all downhill and the body is overwhelmed by disease. (I now have the book by Selye, “The Stress of Life”, and hope I understand this concept better after I review the text.)
Carol
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rheumatoid arthritis dx '96...started MP 8/11/04...initial D tests: 25-D=32; 1,25-D=65...10/07 entered Phase 5...Xodol daily, Valium and Tramadol occasionally, all for pain...last 25-D=7 (10/09)...Benicar only, no abx
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eClaire
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 19:01 |
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Carol you just described my descent into totally disability to the T. I watched over the years as my body adapted to various things--symptoms come and symptoms go--, including in the years before total disability where life-long allergies and serious reactions to chemicals just disappeared. Then I crashed totally and could feel my life slip slip slipping away. Now my health and life is returning to me. Life is good. Love life back. And thank God for Trevor Marshall and everyone at this site for helping me recover what was being lost (and have something one day that I have never known: good health).
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38mo on MP; CFS FMS MCS COPD hypermob. IBS/GERD osteopor.; 125D48 25D<4;
NoIRs during most daylight outings & covered up; home w/o NoIRs
Ph1.Dec06 * ModPh2.Jun07 * AbxBrk.Mar-May08 * Ph2.Oct-Nov08 * Ph1.Jan2009
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