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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 19:40 |
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Claire,
What forms of Splenda have you tried? The small packets? The cooking granules? The liquid?
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eClaire
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Posted: Tue Oct 28th, 2008 19:47 |
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The small packets...it causes intestinal upset and I've been living with diarrhea since 2000 and cannot tolerate things that make it worse--this is what happens with the sweetner in the chocolate as well, and the same would happen if I consumed a lot of sugar (a lot for me...I've never been able to consume a lot), but a small amount of sugar doesn't seem to upset my gut at all. (I forgot to say that I don't steep the teabag...I'm a week tea drinker always.)
Thanks, Claire
Last edited on Tue Oct 28th, 2008 19:48 by eClaire
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geneartemenko
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 21:46 |
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Hi!
I've read some where on protocol ( I think Dr Marshall post) that Splenda doesn't contradict MP. I am taking 4-5 small packets a day. Is it OK?
Thank You, Gene
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 22:46 |
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Splenda is regarded as the most safe of all the artificial sweeteners, and many of our members (including me myself) use it. I have been using maybe a dozen packets a day for several years, and, except for my hair continuing to thin, don't seem to be any the worse for eating it
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geneartemenko
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Posted: Wed Oct 29th, 2008 23:17 |
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Thank You Dr Marshall.
Gene
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 08:13 |
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Ok, I really don't want to restart this whole conversation...  ... but ...
I have been on the protocol 16 months. With strong IP reactions the whole time. Just recently I have low enough Hct and Hgb (tied to inflammation of IP) that I need to 'put on the brakes' and I am really at only the lowest doses of the main phase 3 antibiotic combination.
And... I have used about a dropper full of SteviaClear liquid as a sweetner pretty much daily all throughout these 16 months...
Something is just not adding up. It seems that either the processed liquid called SteviaClear no longer has the chlorogenic acid levels that would hinder IP, or is there another explanation for the fact my IP doesn't seem to be slowed by using it?
... Not trying to be difficult. Just trying to understand.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 09:40 |
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Joyful,
We don't have enough data on Stevia. That doesn't mean it is necessarily a problem, but we just don't know yet. Splenda, on the other hand, is frequently reported here as OK.
Additionally, because some drugs can cause instability, the best time to assess the adequacy of one's own diet is when one is stable, not when one is having difficulty. I understand what you are saying, but just letting you know what is in my mind. Additionally, as I said to Sunset, it is best to abstain from a suspect substance every few days, from time to time. That is the best way to assess any interactions.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 23:57 |
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Ok, Dr. Marshall.
I do try to rotate my foods, even lotions, and so on. But I've only taken a few 'holidays' from the stevia. I know that I may eventually reach a point where I am looking for anything that would hinder my immune system from chasing down the last of my microbial 'uninvited guests.' But it is obvious that I'm not there yet.
I did take a look at the particular product I am using's page to see if I could determine their processing technique and it seems to be different than the one used in the presented paper. As far as I can tell without writing the manufacturer, they may just soak the leaves in water. Perhaps other processing methods (such as using a centrifuge) would yield a higher concentration of chlorogenic acid?
From what I've read so far (including the article wrotek highlighted), many fruits and vegetables may contain cholorgenic acid at comparable levels to the stevia. I eat a fair amount of carrots (peeled), celery, lettuce, zuccini (unpeeled), cucumber, onions, and red bell pepper in a given week. Not to mention cooked onions, brocolli, green beans, peas, zuccini, and califlower. Plus perhaps 2 or 3 small fuji apples. Sometimes I make a smoothie with frozen blueberries, strawberries, and a banana. I may not be remembering well (I need to research this again), but I think the earlier advice was it was ok to eat these foods.
I understand that any processed food is 'guilty until proven innocent.' Simply because manufacturers regularly add undeclared substances (like vitamin D  ). So, I appreciate your guarded response to using any unproven item, especially concentrates. 
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Posted: Tue Nov 25th, 2008 14:50 |
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http://tinyurl.com/5u9c3w
Background: Caffeine, used for treating neonatal apnea, is eliminated 3-fold slower in breastfed infants than in formula-fed infants. Caffeine is metabolized by cytochrome P450 (CYP) 1A and CYP3A4, which are regulated by aryl hydrocarbon receptor (AhR) and pregnane X receptor (PXR) respectively.
So, that is how nicotine increases caffeine metabolism, by increasing PXR activity.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25th, 2008 18:51 |
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My wife and I just had a baby. He's premature. So they have him on caffeine for his apnea. Works like a charm to up his breathing rate. They have him on a human milk fortifier with a ton of vitamin D. 
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Posted: Tue Nov 25th, 2008 22:26 |
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Congratulations  , hope the Kid won't have any Th1 problems.
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Posted: Tue Nov 25th, 2008 22:37 |
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Posted: Wed Nov 26th, 2008 09:10 |
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 hurray congratulations!
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