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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Fri Aug 24th, 2007 18:50 |
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Our colleague Amy Proal (MP: 'Ames') has put together a wonderful 'blog' at Bacteriality.com
She has just posted an excellent interview with Prof Gerald Domingue, a pioneer whose work was first introduced to me by Alan Cantwell (who showed me a rare book containing Gerry's electron-micrographs of a variety of L-forms).
http://bacteriality.wordpress.com/2007/08/22/domingue/
Amy has written other excellent articles too - go to her blog and look them over. This is a wonderful resource of material for you to show your family, friends, and physicians 
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Posted: Fri Aug 24th, 2007 21:20 |
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I found this paper by Domingue, listed in the sources section of Amy's page, to be especially interesting:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=172922&blobtype=pdfLast edited on Fri Aug 24th, 2007 21:21 by Russ
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tickbite
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Posted: Sat Aug 25th, 2007 01:59 |
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That is a good paper Russ. My sincerest thanks to Amy and company for putting together the bacteriality blog. A successfull endeavor to cohese the almost unlimited supply of references and evidence towards validating the Marshall Protocol model for recovery from chronic disease.
Congratulations and keep it coming,
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IngeD
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Posted: Sat Aug 25th, 2007 04:36 |
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Thank you Amy! Well done! Very easy to follow, great site to pass on as an introduction to MP. I have already pasted the link onto our family website. It has been a while since I have swamped them with information so I am hoping this may be of interest 
Inge.
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Ames
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 17:00 |
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Thank you Trevor, Tickbite, Russ and Inge for your interest in Bacteriality and your nice comments about the site. I'm excited to continue putting up new pieces!
I would not be able to put up pieces on Bacteriality without the help of Joyce Waterhouse who reads over my work and makes corrections.
Also, my boyfriend Paul Albert designed the site. He also writes the coding that allows for pictures. And he edits my work as well.
Yes, Domingue is an amazing scientist. It was an honor to get to know him a bit when i was writing the piece on his work. He has told me that I can call him Jerry!
A research from the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences named Nadya Markova made a comment about Domingue on Bacteriality. Here it is:
“I highly appreciate the great achievements of Gerald Domingue in L-form research. His papers and book are always basic guidance in our experiments with L-forms. They are always citied in our L-form publications. We will be glad to contact him and to consult about interesting findings in this field, especially to know his opinion about “nanobacteria” and human blood L-form isolates. I fully agree with his opinion about “ethics of scientific writing”.
Dr. Markova has her own site about L-forms. Here is the URL:
http://nadya.markova.googlepages.com/
Now I'm in contact with Dr. Markova. I think she will consent to an interview which I can then post at some point on Bacteriality.
I have sent Domingue a "Science" DVD and a DVD of the LAX Conference (provided generously by Trevor) and will do the same for Markova.
Today I just posted a new piece called "Koch's Postulates, Horizontal DNA Transfer, and the Era of the Genome" on Bacteriality. Take a look! Coming next...an interview with Ival Myer, an MP patient with RA.
Amy
Last edited on Tue Aug 28th, 2007 17:27 by Ames
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 20:09 |
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Amy,
Her site and links have some interesting rat pictures and historical content from Bulgarian researchers.
The aspect you have built of pulling in a diversity of researchers who have similar perspectives is extraordinarily commendable.
I hope you have great success with your site!
Way to go champ(s)--Janet
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Posted: Tue Aug 28th, 2007 20:31 |
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Amy,
This is fantastic!!! How brilliant of you to think of it. I'll bet it will make a big difference in the length of time it will take the MP to become more widely accepted. Think of all the people who can be helped by this.
Keep up the good work!!
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Ames
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Posted: Sun Sep 9th, 2007 23:22 |
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Janet, Aunt Diana,
Thanks for your kind words. I'm thrilled to be able to interview these researchers. In a few years, everbody will want to talk to them! Right now I can speak with them easily and even form friendships in the process.
The Nadya Markova interview is finally up.
http://bacteriality.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/
I also have a great interview with Alan Cantwell that should be ready soon. Alan Cantwell has a great personality. I laughed quite a bit during the interview. He certainly has a story to tell.
I've been working hard on an article about vitamin D. I have a lot to say on that subject! Should be up soon.
Thanks for your interest,
Amy
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 00:07 |
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Amy, Congratulations on an excellent interview with an important researcher.
Paul, Congratulations on designing a beautiful presentation for that interview.
Well done, guys!
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 00:18 |
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Excellent interview, Amy. Interesting that Nadya knew of the MP and is also of the opinion that L-form bacteria are the heart of most chronic diseases.
Keep up the good work!
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 12:26 |
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Amy, This is the best interview and I loved how she described the why of how difficult it is to get this sort of research published, which is the same issue for the MP in general (i.e., the need for a new paradigm). I think it will be a great tool for MPers searching for a doctor. THANKS!!! Claire
P.S. Keep up the great work!
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 19:34 |
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| Thank YOU Amy!! I am in need of another new doc and this is just the ammunition I need!! You GO GIRL!! Lee & Hubby
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 20:09 |
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Amy, these interviews you're doing are great! Thanks for sharing them with us.
I found the in-vivo animal experiments Dr. Markova talked about especially interesting...
"We inject the first group of animals with normal pathogenic bacteria and the other group with L-form strains...L-forms stay longer on the surface of macrophages without being engulfed. Even when they are engulfed, L-forms are not properly digested and they continue to persist inside the macrophage. In short, the whole process of destroying bacteria is distorted. It is important to understand that these phenomena happen in vivo, or inside animals that are alive."
If I remember correctly, that's exactly what the MP science has told us is happening in humans with TH1 disease (macrophages not being able to destroy the L-forms). I know that animal VDRs are not the same as the human VDR, but can we assume that since the animals in the experiement were not able to kill the L-forms that they must have had compromised immune systems either due to having TH1 disease or being fed vitamin D and/or steroids? Basically I'm wondering whether a healthy immune system can kill L-forms or if the bacteria have evolved to be able to evade phagocytosis even in healthy immune systems and can only be killed with the help of benicar and antibiotics.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 20:34 |
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Russ asks Basically I'm wondering whether a healthy immune system can kill L-forms
This is a good question, Russ. Answer is, we don't know yet. The pathogens must affect the immune system in some way, as cytokines and chemokines are released during all stages of the Th1 infection, including 'healthy aging'. But exactly what happens, and the sequence of events, is unclear. At some point some of the bacteria start to shut down the VDR. But is this fortituous? Which species does this? Maybe a harmless species involved purely in the aging process?
These are all imponderables right now. But excellent questions. One could construct a hypothesis where relatively harmless bacteria living in the intraphagocytic biofilms have for centuries (millenia) gradually shut down the body's hormonal system as it ages. It wasn't until Vitamin D supplementation became commonplace, perhaps, that the hormonal control systems get shut down at a younger age. Perhaps the proliferation of L-forms resulting from the overuse of penicillin and cephalosporin antibiotics during the 1940s caused more L-forms to take advantage of weakened human bodies. Who knows?
We live in interesting times
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 20:45 |
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| Trevor & Russ, Very interesting. I've heard some folk describe CFS as "premature aging" (but not necessarily having to do with looks), which may apply to all Th1 illness. Here's hoping the MP gives all of us back some of those years we've lost! Claire
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 21:47 |
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Dr Trevor Marshall wrote: We live in interesting times
Interesting times indeed, although sometimes I wish I was born about fifty years from now when medicine has come to it's senses and instead of lacing my baby formula with steroids they actually recognize and treat any neo-natal infections I have.
Thanks for the insightful response.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 00:02 |
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Hi Amy!
Congratulations to you and Paul on your website!! The interviews are very interesting and informative and will go a long way toward spreading the word of L-forms and how they are the cause of chronic illness. The layout of the site is very attractive and the interviews are wonderful!!
Best wishes to you both.........this is a winner!!
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Posted: Thu Sep 13th, 2007 19:59 |
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I'm glad that many of you enjoyed the Markova interview. She cetainly knows her stuff when it comes to L=form so I not surprised that she understands how the MP fits into the picture.
I just put up an interview with Alan Cantwell.
http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/11/cantwell/
Kudos to Paul for creating the image gallery at the end of the piece. Cantwell stressed to me over the phone that in order for people to fully appreciate his pictures of L-form bacteria it helps if the images are blown up to a large size that spreads across the computer screen. So Paul designed a gallery that allows the images to be enlarged. I must say I'm impressed myself!
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Meg Mangin R.N.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14th, 2007 00:35 |
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| Very impressive, Amy and Paul. Thank you!
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Posted: Fri Sep 14th, 2007 00:45 |
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Very interesting interview, Amy. Thanks!
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