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Knochen
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Posted: Thu May 11th, 2006 22:38 |
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I have finally, after much effort and research, got my very own NoIRs with a prescription!  What's that, you say? NoIR doesn't make prescription lenses!Quite true. They don't. BUT...
I found a company that makes sungalsses that have an insert that holds your Rx. It's mounted inside the sunglasses, right behind the dark lenses. Please have a look at http://www.opticsdirect.com/motorcycle_goggles_and_glasses.htm and look well down the page for the model #1832 "Wind". You can see how the insert fits in them. They are a wraparound style, and are very similar in size and shape to the NoIR #35 model that has just become available (but that's in non-Rx, of course).
Once I had my "Wind" glasses made with my Rx, I ordered lens blanks from NoIR and had them cut by a local optical shop to replace the dark front lenses that came with the glasses. And there you have it! The protection of real NoIR lenses, with your Rx. (FYI, the NoIR lens blanks were 8 base curve, amber - you have to specify! And check them against your glasses when the come, they messed up and sent me the wrong curve the first time)
I have 2 pairs, 2% and 10% amber. They are great. One trick that I thought of, but haven't yet tried is to have the lenses in the insert made as sunglasses as well. Those who have extreme light sensitivity could get a lot of light reduction that way. It beats doubling up with clip-ons. You can even buy extra sets of Rx inserts if you want a dark pair and a clear pair.
Cost? Well, the glasses were $120 with the Rx put in them, and the NoIR blanks were about $35 (?) for the 2% and $20 or so for the 10%. Even if your optician charges you to cut the blanks (mine didn't) you get a pair of glasses for well under $200. Not too shabby!
I hope this is of some help to those who can't get along without prescrition lenses. When you call OpticsDirect, be sure to talk to Barry - he knows about the Marshall Protocol and I had a long conversation with him about what I was doing. I also warned him that he might get a flood of calls once the word got out! He can't yet fit the NoIR lenses for you, but that might be possible in the future. For now, you'll have to get the blanks yourself and take them to an optical shop and have them cut to shape.
Just FYI, there are some other glasses brands out there with Rx inserts. Rudy Project makes a few models, but I wasn't able to find one that gave me the coverage I wanted. Your face may work great with them, so they are worth looking for if you can find a place that carries them so you can try them on first. In fact, I would even suggest that you order a pair of the "Wind" model without the Rx put in and try them on first for fit. If they don't fit, you can send them back or just eat the $60 and sell them to another MPer. The inserts do sit pretty close to your eyes, and my lashes nearly touch them.
It's not perfect, but it's a workable solution.
Last edited on Thu May 11th, 2006 22:40 by Knochen
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 01:50 |
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 08:07 |
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Knochen -
I'm so pleased to read your post on customized NoIRs. I just received my #35s (2 & 10%) today & was ready to wander around blindly for a while. I've been wearing the spectra-shield fit-overs which have a big light-gap on the bottom edge, in addition to being heavy & uncomfortable. I have gone through 3 pair of the 700 series - the pegs holding on the arms inevitably snap off.
My next game plan was either to see about having some narrow prescription lenses made & gluing them to the inside of the #35s or getting a pair of pince-nez! Fortunately, your info may save me from these unsatisfactory solutions.
thank you for your research.
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Knochen
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Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 20:35 |
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Well, I won't say these are the world's highest quality frames, but they seem to be sturdy enough, and are made of a semi flexible nylon-ish material that should hold up. Besides, if they eventually bust a hinge, you can get a fresh frame and pop out all the old parts yourself and fix it.
One thing I do highly recommend is a good hard glasses case. The Julbo Sport Glasses Case (large) is really nice. Cheap too, at about $8 from campmor.com. I wrote 2% and 10% with a silver Sharpie pen on the case to help keep them straight.
My only complaint thus far is that I get some light leakage under them due to my rather flat cheekbones combined with a largish nose ridge. The #35's fit me about the same way. I may even go so far as to add some foam or something to get a seal if it becomes a problem, but so far so good. It's way better than I would get with a pair of fitovers.
Getting the NoIR blanks can take a long time, they are not very fast off the mark over there, I'm sorry to say. I suspect they are having some sort of growing pains. Just FYI, if you have a pair of #35s, the 8 base curve blanks are the same curvature, so you can double check when they arrive. If it's not the same curve, it will be quite obvious when you lay one over the other.
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Alison
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Posted: Mon May 15th, 2006 12:57 |
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Just a suggestion for less light leakage. Adidas makes a wraparound sunglass called the Elevation ClimaCool (see picture and links below). It has a layer of (removable) foam around the lens frame that will help keep out more light. It also has a Rx insert. And the strap could help keep it tight against your face.
So perhaps you could use Knochen's suggestion with this model. Unfortunately it's a bit more expensive - upwards of $300 with the prescription. I don't know what the lens base curve is, though, so I can't say which blanks you would need to order from NoIR.
Elevation ClimaCool Link
More info in this link on Adidas website - choose "elevation ClimaCool" in the Model list
Knochen - thanks for the suggestion. I've been considering laser eye surgery just to avoid having to deal with Rx lenses. 
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Posted: Mon May 15th, 2006 19:22 |
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Alison,
your eyesight may improve from doing the MP. see EYE INFLAMMATION and Th1 diseases (filelink)
all best, Barb ....
Specifications when asking for Customised Glasses:
You will need at least two pair:
-amber 2% (these are the darkest)for outdoor use
-amber 10% (these are medium) for indoor use
It is a good idea to purchase a third pair when you can graduate to using less eye protection. These are the:
-amber 40% (these are the lightest)
These are the specifications to ask for.
dark amber for outdoors
100% UV Protection.
100% Blue Light Protection (the amber is the blue block)
100% Infrared Protection
2% visible light for outdoors
medium amber for indoors
100% UV Protection.
100% Blue Light Protection (the amber is the blue block)
100% Infrared Protection
10% visible light for indoors
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Knochen
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Posted: Tue May 16th, 2006 19:58 |
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Alison,
From the look of those Adidas glasses, they would probably be an 8 base curve. Most of the "sporty/wrap" types are. And they do look slick! As soon as I win the lottery (my wife keeps bugging me to do just that) I'll be getting some of those myself.
Thanks for sending that link.
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Posted: Tue May 16th, 2006 23:13 |
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Alison,
I hope you are just joking about the laser eye surgery! Any eye surgery can cause eye inflammation (such as uveitis), and eye inflammation is associated with many Th1 diseases. Laser eye surgery seems like a bad bet while on the MP.
Rx lenses in NoIR-types sunglasses should be a big help.
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Knochen
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Posted: Fri May 26th, 2006 11:39 |
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Just FYI, I misspoke on the price for the 2% NoIR blanks in 8 base curve. It's $54. Still a good deal!
I've been wearing my custom Rx glasses and they are working out well so far. No problems to speak of, and they do the job.
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Alison
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Posted: Fri May 26th, 2006 12:36 |
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Margo,
The laser eye surgery comment was (mostly) in jest. Before I had even heard of the MP, I had looked into it, but at the time I could never bring myself to spend that much money on myself for something that was, for the most part, cosmetic.
After researching the MP, I figured that it probably wouldn't be a good idea to go get slits cut in my eyes, regardless of any Th1 inflammation that may or may not be effecting me there. So I've continued in my search for an MP Rx lens solution that I was comfortable with.
Barb,
You mentioned that my eyesight may improve while on the MP. Now that I think about it, my eyesight seemed to take a downward turn about 5 years ago, when I needed to wear my glasses on a consistent basis, instead of just while reading. However, my vision has not worsened (Rx wise) much in the last 2-3 years - I just got my eyes checked last month and the lens Rx has hardly changed at all. I'm not sure what that indicates, though. <shrug>
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Margo
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Posted: Sat May 27th, 2006 01:02 |
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Alison,
I thought you were joking. It seemed like a good opportunity to remind people that laser eye surgery might not mix with a Th1 disease.
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Gail
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Posted: Tue Jul 4th, 2006 05:34 |
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Does anyone know where I can get Rx sunglasses for outside that fit the NoIR criteria but are not NoIR? I have found some Bolle Piraja frames at Wal-Mart and can get Rx lenses, but they can only be used for indoor because they don't have IR protection. I really want to get something for outdoors that doesn't require an Rx "insert" because of the distortion probabilities. I have read and re-read the posts here but I can't seem to understand most of it (darn brain fog!) because there are too many variables. Is there an Rx lens that I can buy that can be cut to fit sunglasses frames?
Dr. Marshall...you said:"The optician in my local Walmart has consistently produced the best prescription for me. I then have a cheap pair of normal glasses made to check the prescription, and then send it to my optometrist in Denmark. He gets the lenses made in Germany, Austria and Italy." What did you mean when you said that you have a cheap pair made to check the prescription and then send it to your optometrist in Denmark? Do you have Wal-mart make the lenses and then send them to Denmark for IR coatings? Sorry if I sound stupid. I just want good Rx glasses at a decent price.
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Posted: Tue Jul 4th, 2006 09:22 |
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Hi Gail,
I've been wearing my Rx insert NoIRs for a couple of months now and I don't notice any distortion problems. If you have a particularly wild and wooly Rx, there might be a problem, but otherwise I don't think you need to worry too much.
As far as the Zeiss coatings, yes, I believe your interpretation of how Dr. Marshall did it is correct. The couple of times I tried to discuss this with the people at various Walmarts, they looked at me like I had two heads. You probably have to get lucky and have a broad minded optician. Be prepared to get some bovine looks from the other side of the counter.
Best of luck whichever way you decide to go. And if you do manage to get the Zeiss, please post what they cost, I'm curious to know how much more expensive they really are compared to the inserts.
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Posted: Tue Jul 4th, 2006 15:58 |
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Knochen...
I read your previous posts. Thank-you for your response. I was hoping you would let me know if you had any distortion and I am glad you don't. Other people I have spoken to said they didn't like the distortions, however, to be fair, I didn't think to ask the specifics of their glasses, their Rx, or where they made their purchase. Maybe that makes some kind of difference. What kind of Rx do you have? I have single vision in both eyes but the lens in my left eye is pretty thick due to the Uevitis and cataracts from the steroids.
The other thing that has me concerned about getting the NoIR discs and having an optician file them down is that I saw on a later post the NoIR isn't selling just the discs anymore. Maybe you were at the tail end of that. I have tried to call NoIR several times and so far haven't gotten through.
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Posted: Tue Jul 4th, 2006 17:22 |
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Oh dear, I didn't know NoIR stopped selling the blanks! Let's hope that's a rumor  Why in the world would they DO that? Try emailing Mary Klinke at mary.klinke@noir-medical.com to get the straight story.
My Rx is pretty basic. About -2.5 with a little (.5?) asigmatic correction in one eye.
As for the distortions, 8 base lenses look different from the inside no matter the brand. I've seen comments about this elsewhere during my research into sunglasses. Maybe some people are interpreting this as distortion? It just took a little getting used to.
I'm sure the Zeiss coated lenses would be very good, and if you had them in the glacier glasses, the base curve would be less, like a regular pair of glasses. I wanted the wrap around because I drive in heavy traffic a lot and need the peripheral vision.
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Posted: Tue Jul 4th, 2006 17:27 |
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Gail, My personal preference for outdoors in daylight is glacier glasses. Hidalgos has been able to work with me and others. I decided to just get a glass Kontraster RX lense and wear Noirs (SpectraShields) over them. (so I would have a good pair of sunglasses after I'm done with MP) But one can get Kontraster Rx lenses (even in bifocal) with mirror and an additional amber color coat on the back that would work well for outside for most. best, P.B.
http://www.hidalgos.com/light_chart.html
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Posted: Tue Jul 4th, 2006 18:30 |
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Thanks for the Hidalgo chart website, however, does the chart show how much light is blocked or how much light is let in?
I really like the idea of the glacier glasses but I too need the peripheral for driving.
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Posted: Tue Jul 4th, 2006 22:56 |
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| It is talking about V.L.T. (visible light transmission) or how much is let in. I have no problem driving with glacier glasses, I just have to turn my head a bit more at intersections and use my mirrors wisely. Since I am rather near-sighted I had to do this with any glasses to see clearly to the side to begin with. Also I have found it beneficial to direct the blower air on my face to prevent fogging. But you have to do what you feel is safe for you. best, P.B.
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Posted: Wed Jul 5th, 2006 04:41 |
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Thanks P.Bear.R.N.
I have been looking at wraparound glasses but everything I have come across, including the Bolle, still have sliver light leaks and many have too much of a curve to make Rx lenses.
I haven't given up the search though! I will continue until I find something that works for me! I welcome everyone's suggestions!
Thanks!
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Posted: Mon Jul 10th, 2006 19:01 |
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Does anyone know if glass Rx lenses cut IR? I have read a couple of places that glass Rx automatically cuts IR, but no body mentions how much.
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