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Prof Trevor Marshall
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 Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2008 21:32

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Here is a short excerpt from the NBC Nightly News on Jan 7, 2008
 


Note that once again, a study showing a correlation between low values of 25-D and disease, which is no surprise, is turned by the Vitamin D lobby into a push advocating that lower blood levels equates to "lack" of exogenous intake, rather than a hormonal down-regulation due to the disease state. Which even a cursory search of  PubMed shows is laughable.

Prof. Holick has said that he takes 11,000 IU of Vitamin D a day. It is hard to make folk like this understand that not everybody's body behaves the same way, when it is challenged by the steroid we have called 'Vitamin D'...
 

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 Posted: Mon Jan 7th, 2008 21:49

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We were recently granted a non-profit YouTube channel (they upgraded the one that had my AAEM videos) at URL
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=trevmar1

It would be great if we could find somebody who could take this NBC segment, and splice in comment and interview rebuttal. That way we could concisely let folk know how they are being duped by a handful of Vit D zealots...

Actually, if somebody could do the interviews, I can do all the splicing and editing and converting to web format. My paper explaining how Vitamin D is probably behind the epidemics of chronic disease and obesity is due out in just a week or three...

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 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 00:29

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I used to be obese till I suddenly lost forty pounds from stomach problems.
My sister is obese and has all the obvious symptoms of a compromised
immune system. My brother was just dx with diabetes and my mom has developed cardiac disease. my other brother is obese with cfs and stomach problems.I hate watching them suffer in ignorance. They will not listen to their crazy brother.
My IQ is 131 near geinus so I can easily see the benefit of AVOIDING VITAMIN D.
The doctors have made so much money from our illnesses. The tide is turning every time the study site adds a new member.



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 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 13:35

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Dr. Marshall,

What technology does it take to do the interviews?  I believe we can round up volunteers to be interviewed, but what expertise does one need?

With thanks,

Sherry



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Sherry,
I was looking for somebody who could create a story-board with the original NBC  segment, planning the items for rebuttal, and then oversee the interviews (with myself, for example) so as to produce a completed and coherent short-film.
 

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I would be glad to help. I have some experience with these kinds of projects, but would certainly benefit by having a seasoned MPer to noodle over the crucial points...then to conjure up the right storyboard.

Let's make it happen!    :)



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 Posted: Tue Jan 8th, 2008 16:23

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We now have a non-profit YouTube channel to get out short (less than 10 minute) segments which explain what we have been doing.

What I have in mind, is for somebody, a group of us perhaps, to figure out what has to be said to point out the errors in the NBC piece. I can immediately think of

1. the study found an association between low vitamin D and disease, it did not show that lack of vitamin D caused the disease. In fact, we (and other researchers) have shown that disease down-regulates the body's production of Vitamin D (25-D).

2. There are no studies which show that the effects of sunlight on the body and ingestion of Vitamin D supplements are physiologically equivalent


We need a journalist (narrator) to provide continuity, planned out in a 'story-board', and then I can record a little snippet, just like are used for the experts in the NBC news item.

If the journalist/continuity-narrator sends me a tape of his commentary, I can edit together the final video with my comment, and whatever pieces we use from the NBC video, to create a final clip, and convert it for YouTube broadcast, just as I have done in the first post (above).

So let's get the collaboration going...
We will have a lot of 10 minute videos to make in order to get the whole of our message out... :)
 

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To all who read this and are secretly keen to do the narration, my IT guy says you need to plug a microphone into your computer and make a wve (sp?) or mpeg (sp?) file.  That's it.  He has seen microphones advertised for around $4.

I am sure there's more to it than this, but it is not too difficult.

Sherry



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I would prefer a video, with a microphone. The NBC journalist is standing in a landscape at the end of the NBC piece, and the location for the narration is also important. A good fallback is to be seated at a desk in front of an impressive looking library of hard-cover books - oh - wait - that's how I want to do my snippet :):):)

The Foundation can send you a handlheld microphone to plug into your DV camcorder, we have some we bought for the conferences...
 
 

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Although I am not certain, I think you will run into copyright problems using the NBC clip.  I think NBC would be more likely to go after the Foundation rather than the average Joe who nicks a clip.  Claire



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Claire,
Nobody is talking about 'nicking' anything. I am talking about 'fair use' under the copyright law. You can read about fair use here.

The public benefit is indisputable :) We have a resource here. Something to help us explain what is wrong with media coverage of the Vitamin D issues. We need a story-board describing how we can use that resource to help us get that explanation across to the general public :)
 
 

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Read your Fair Use link and as I suspected, it's a grey area.  Just wanted to point it out.  I do think the point needs to be made and hope you get a story board.  Claire



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HI ALL

This is  Fred in WV.  I saw this same article on the Today Show and I did get to tell another person sitting in the doc's office why that was wrong and it will be killing more people if they continued to got that route.

Also, there is an article out today and we will most likely see it in the news in the next few days about how vit-D prevents strokes.  I said to myself 'HERE WE GO AGAIN, WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN THE TRUTH."  This article showed in my WHAT'S NEW page.

Remember, we are all in this together and I am pulling for us.

Your friend in sarcoidosis

Freddei 



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Dr Trevor Marshall wrote:

1. the study found an association between low vitamin D and disease, it did not show that lack of vitamin D caused the disease. In fact, we (and other researchers) have shown that disease down-regulates the body's production of Vitamin D (25-D).


 

Do you have a link to a paper showing that the disease down-regulates the body's production of Vitamin (25)?

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Inge,
One that immediately springs to mind is

Davies PD, Brown RC, Woodhead JS: Serum concentrations of vitamin D metabolites in untreated tuberculosis. Thorax. 1985 Mar;40(3):187-90.
http://tinyurl.com/37mj97

That paper was published in 1985, incidentally. This phenomena is not exactly new, just ignored...

My upcoming paper also cites a number of studies from the 1980s which examined regulation of 25-D and 1,25-D in the female endometrium.

We were all obviously all doing a lot of good work back then :)
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/transcripts/Keogh_Ovulation_Induction.pdf
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/transcripts/Keogh_Pulsatile_GnRH.pdf
 

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Thank you, Dr. Marshall, for continuing your plight for mankind!  I am sickened by the media's thrust to report the one-sided story of Vitamin D.  With the ARF's expertise of organizing the facts, those of us with renewed health are eager to promote the "other side of the story."

Thank you for sharing your timely contributions on the study site and know that the members and families are forever indebted to your perseverance and ingenuity. 

In heartfelt appreciation . . . Carole  :D



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OK, here’s my perfunctory assessment of the key points in the news clip that merit an incisive response! Let me know if I left out anything:
  • Evidence has accumulated the Vitamin D is critical for almost every cell in the body
  • Evidence from the Framingham Heart study shows that the 28% of people who had the lowest levels of Vitamin D in their bodies had a 60% higher risk of developing a heart attack or stroke over a five-year period.
  • People with a vitamin D deficiency could face up to twice the stroke or heart attack risk as those with higher levels, beyond the effect of other major risk factors
  • Vitamin D can reduce the risk of breast cancer, colon cancer, and many other common serious diseases
  • Vitamin D plays a key role in the body by strengthening bones
  • But few people consume enough D: The Framingham study found that only 10% of the adults they studied had the recommend amount of Vitamin D in their bodies]
  • The other study from Norway and the Brookhaven National Laboratories in the United States concluded that on the whole moderate sun exposure is good and should be encouraged
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Related article:

Vitamin D Deficiency and Risk of Cardiovascular Disease - Source: Circulation, Jan 2008

http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/8632






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I was thinking of borrowing the company's DV Camcorder and recording a few blurbs of me in my technical library.  I plan to make statements that verify Vit D is a hormone or "seco steroid"; that my own bone density exam showed far LESS BONE LOSS since being on the MP, and that Vitamin D supplements are the inert precursor to D125, the active metabolite.  And maybe that there is an abundant amount of openly published authoritative literature on CWD pathogens.


Any thoughts from the Producer or Director? 

Maybe we'll win an Oscar.

 Sherry



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Well the nightly news was at it again. VIT D the miracle Vitamin and how we all need to spend more time in the sun. They also reported that adequate VIT D prevents MANY disease including cancer and bone health.

They actually said that sunblock shouldnt be used all the time because the Vit D wont be able to break through the sunblock.

They gave recomendations for supplementing VITD DAILY

100 units and over if you are under 50
200 units if you are 50 and over
and in some cases they recommend 800-1000 units a day :0

I just dont get it? This is how MANY are mislead
wowzers!!

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Did you catch the language these "experts" use?

Dr Thomas Wang says having low levels of Vitamin D "is associated with" various illnesses.  (So we jump to the conclusion that is is causative.)

Dr Michel Holick, apparently without awareness of the irony of his statement, exclaims, "It's quite incredible, when you think about it, but... " Then he fails to actually think about it, and question the credibility of the poor science and wrong assumptions he is repeating.

Dr Marshall, have you contacted NBC news for a "right of reply" on this item?



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