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 Posted: Sat Dec 2nd, 2017 09:13

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It's a shame that the law requires anything advertised as "___ milk" to be fortified with D (in America) but I believe some brands are spelling their product names with a 'Y' such as Almond Mylk, and that may get around the law.



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Interesting.
I gave up on drinking Mylk. ;)

I just go straight for low heat processed heavy whipping cream from grassfed cows!



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 Posted: Sat Dec 2nd, 2017 19:29

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I gave up drinking milk several years ago. In addition to fortification with Vitamin D most commercial milk comes from cows fed grain (corn,soy, and wheat). Most of them are fed growth hormones and anti-biotics. Most corn and soy in the US is GMO. It is likely contaminated with herbicides and pesticides.

The only dairy I eat is cheese from 100% grass fed cows that is not fortified with D.



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I've been inquiring about feed used for organic, grass-fed and pastured animals in my region. Grain-based feed used for most of these animals contains Vitamin D. I found a farm with grass fed cattle that do not feed anything other than grass and hay. The feed being used for free-range chickens contains the following D content:

6948 IU/kg

Anyone know if this is significant or not? I can't get my 25D level down sufficiently as I just don't know what food I'm eating that contains D. My wife has very low D and she is a vegetarian. I'm going to try to change my meat-eating habits to see if that is the source.

One organic farmer told me that it's perhaps more likely that organically-fed animals eat feed containing vitamins than conventional meat. Reason being that conventional suppliers of meat will do everything to go on the cheap side, thus not fortify. But organic growers will see vitamins as a good thing. I don't know if this is true but it does make sense.



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 Posted: Sun Dec 31st, 2017 02:27

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Rico~
There is a dairy in my area that doesn't add vit d to the milk but when I inquired further about what the cows were eating, they told me that Vit D was in the feed. The vit D 3 causes the vit A% to be 18%.....lots of D in that milk!!
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It may not be your wife's diet for the low D.  Some people have a body that down regulates vit D.  My significant other was able to get his D down with no effort and even cheated a lot, even tho we ate pretty much the same foods.  If I cheated at all my D would go up.

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I have been buying organic grassfed beef and cheese from a farmer in my state. They only feed the animals grass and hay. I also buy some of what he calls Omega 3 chicken. They roam free range. He claims he supplements their feed with a feed that he treats as proprietary.

My 25-d has consistently been in the single digits.

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http://beta.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-vitamins-bone-fractures-20171226-story.html

Do you take calcium and vitamin D to protect your bones?
A new study says it doesn't help

If taking more vitamin and mineral supplements is part of your plan for a healthier new year, a new study may prompt you to reconsider. Researchers looking for evidence that calcium and vitamin D pills could help prevent bone fractures have come up empty.



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 Posted: Sun Dec 31st, 2017 03:59

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Rico wrote:
I can't get my 25D level down sufficiently as I just don't know what food I'm eating that contains D. .

Rico,
You might want to look at Mike V's early posts in his progress thread; he also had a very difficult time getting his D to drop. He did accomplish it though through going full vegetarian and using specific antibiotics against microbes thought responsible for keeping his D elivated.



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I think I was the worst case for getting serum 25D down to therapeutic range. As David said, I tried antibiotics, cut out all dairy (no meat), ate pea protein powder for protein, but in truth, I can't say that antibiotics or no dairy was responsible for the 25D levels falling. If antibiotics made a difference it did not show up in the numbers for (6?) months.

I suspect the microbiome itself was manufacturing the 25D. Once the 25D levels did start to fall there was IP hell to pay, so maybe there was a 'lynchpin' species that made 25D that finally was killed off. If so, I doubt it was fugal as supposedly they make 25D2 and it was serum 25D3 that was high (30 ng/ml).

I have a chart somewhere in my report thread that documents the 25D levels and what I did.



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Vitamin D3 causes a rise in Vitamin A? I don't recall seeing anything labelled with high A content in the foods I eat but will look at that.

Approx 6 months prior to starting the MP with Olmesartan in 2006, I avoided foods with D and was able to get my 25D down to about 10 without any issue.

Since about late 2011, I started feeling my mood problems very slowly return. Since around that time, I noticed my 25D rising and I just haven't been able to lower it.

I'll go vegetarian if I have to for awhile to see if that makes any difference. I also think I've found a grass-fed only beef supplier so may limit meat to that. I'm convinced something must have changed in some food source back around 2011.



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Food sounds like the problem.



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 Posted: Sun Dec 31st, 2017 15:23

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"D" (NR1I1, PPP1R163) discussions in science journal literature are now becoming far more complex. That is not a bad thing.

We might even thank the "fad" of supplementation and simplistic "good in so good out" mentality (in lay, medical, and our own expectations) that helped drive a lot of research, including the recent metastudy of over 50,000 over-50 community-dwelling adults Joyful referenced (http://beta.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-vitamins-bone-fractures-20171226-story.html or https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2667071) and a review of fuller molecular and genetic connections that hormone superfamily actor acts (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene?term=Nr1i1 and https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/calcitriol-receptor... etc.).

Why? because we really want (and need) to slice through dominant viable options to bring marker tests into ranges that translate to better immune competence outcomes for olmesartan synergy.

We want to find a global quick answer or improve perceptions of what directly impacts which hormone nuclear receptors to create ideal immune competency conditions.

This study suggests we might not be able to do it only via anecdotal food or -/+ supplement(s). The issue of hormones (even generally) is more complex than D in food or -/+ supplements -- and that is a big reason "Every week brings more bad news for Vitamin D" [supplementation].

One thing I've learned on the MP is hormone signals are regulated within a complex system. (For example, IF food alone changed how all adolescents trigger and progress through puberty once in a lifetime, females ovulate cyclically after puberty over a lifetime --especially if menopause is another disease of aging, or any number of other hormone-driven processes that occur globally in relatively large no-diet-change human populations across very different communities across the planet -- all eating essentially different mainstay diets, THEN we might freely assume food/supplements are the only or the main player in the game of hormones.)

The fact that food does contribute--sometimes more significantly than others--is not lost in my post, but food choices don't happen in a vacuum and other environmental factors (like EMF, light, stress reduction, rest/sleep hygiene, activity type/level/etc, chemical and pathogen exposure, extent of exposure, time frames of critical exposure like fetus/birth/early childhood/etc. and other factors) are worthy to cross reference.

Still, all those D supplement studies have not gone to waste and a huge 50,000+ chunk of humanity over the age of 50 were pulled to reveal taking D and calcium supplements didn't make a difference in fracture rate for that age group. Joyful's reference to the study said to me, in the "no difference" author summary (in a very unstated way) that hormone outcomes are not just a food/supplement equation.

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Because my dad's health is failing and then he broke his hip, I have been leaving my shield set up -70 dBm daytime with shielding hoodie, pants, plus Atticfoil sleep box and going to the 'Big City,' Orlando, where the RF is minimum of -30 dBm daytime. I still am wearing the same garments, plus I take my portable six layer 92# fabric sleep tent to sleep in.

Result is that my digestion (I bring my own food) changes radically, (my interpretation is that the change is due to immune suppression from RF).

Upon return, digestion returns to what it was before.

The point is that hormones are likely making a similar change due to RF. So, all these studies that are conducted over the time period of rapid roll out of microwave wireless devices, and what the studies mean, including effects on bone, is likely meaningless, in the sense that the elephant in the living room (RF type and power levels) is unaccounted for.

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The return of some of my symptoms may be related to hormone fluctuation because of RF. But that would unlikely explain the high steroid 25D level. No?



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My guess is still food. Go with 100% grass fed. 'Free Range' is not 'grass fed'. The rest of suspect foods is not new to you, i.e. go with whole foods, no mystery sauces, etc.



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Rico, do you recall seeing the notice on our web site that the industry has come up with a yeast for making bread rise that generates vit D?  I believe it was mentioned that Sub-Way was using the yeast in their bread.  Other sources of bread may have also started using it.  So, it may be a worthwhile test to stop eating any bread and/or other foods with yeast.

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Yes, I do remember that thread very well, Cynthia. I even contacted at least one yeast supplier about it, but it was not irradiated. Most of my bread is from home-baked bread using that yeast. I never eat at Subway for that reason.

Two other people in my family also eat the home-baked bread, although less than I do, and their D levels are within the therapeutic range.

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You might look at the WASA wholemeal wafers from Germany/Sweden. They don't use use Vitamin D and are a good staple carbohydrate to cover with butter, toasted cheese, etc...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EUHGB2/

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We have those crackers at our local supermarket. Guess it doesn't hurt to try. But I would really like to know if it's bread ingredients or meat that's causing the high D.

How long should I realistically expect my 25D to come down if I've stopped consuming a food containing significant Vitamin D? Should I remeasure my 25D in 3 months?



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