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 Posted: Fri Mar 23rd, 2018 22:55

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It's possible that in northern areas such as Canada, that grass-fed cattle is supplemented with minerals and vitamins in the winter, especially if they spend most of their time inside. Can't discount anything.



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 Posted: Sat Mar 24th, 2018 02:36

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If they are fed hay in the winter that may still qualify as grass fed because as I understand it hay is dried grass. However, if they are supplemented with anything else that may disqualify as 100% grass fed.


https://www.humaneitarian.org/uncategorized/pasture-raised-vs-grass-fed-whats-the-difference/#.WrXLpGczWUk

https://www.prevention.com/eatclean/grass-fed-meat

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 Posted: Sat Mar 24th, 2018 03:31

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100% grass fed is the only thing I trust. Others may have luck with other quality produce, but i stick to what has given consistent results. Maybe I have no sense of adventure.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 24th, 2018 13:07

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Every Cattle Farmer I talked to would not dream of not using a mineral supplement and

I am talking about the most hard core Green Natural Folks around.  IMO - They all use a

mineral supplement in Canada.



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http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0040692
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Older Americans Are Hooked On Vitamins Despite Scarce Evidence They Work



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Walleyeguy wrote: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0040692
interesting

Thanks for that article. ("Effect of Vitamin D Supplementation on Mycobacterium tuberculosis-Induced Innate Immune Responses in a Canadian Dené First Nations Cohort").



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 Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2018 17:07

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Excess 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D (1,25D) is not converted to 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25D); thus, high 1,25D levels may be accompanied by low 25D values.

https://www.dovepress.com/the-vitamin-d-receptor-and-the-etiology-of-rantesccl-expressive-fatty--peer-reviewed-article-IJGM

The vitamin D receptor and the etiology of RANTES/CCL-expressive fatty-degenerative osteolysis of the jawbone: an interface between osteoimmunology and bone metabolism

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 Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2018 18:27

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I believe the secosteroid image refers to Vitamin D3 and the diagram shows how little difference there is in the mechanisms of both. How can this understanding be overlooked in general medicine ?



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 Posted: Wed Jun 20th, 2018 00:04

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Prof. Marshall,

Just saw your new Youtube video, "Vitamin-D: Why Does it 'Work' So Well?" It seems that it is accepted by the mainstream scientific community that humans evolved white skin in order to be able to produce more vitamin D in northern latitudes. This I think was the gist of the questioner at the 21 min. mark.

But I think there is actually no evidence that white skin evolved in response to the humans bodies need for vitamin D - just "scientist" filling in their preconceived notions about the human need for vitamin D and applying it to evolution to make their theory fit.

It seems to me that the reason behind evolutionary traits are complex and multifaceted (New gene variants reveal the evolution of human skin color). It's a sad state as to what is accepted as science based on nothing more than an idea with zero evidence to support it.

Best,
David

P.S. - You answered that guys question brilliantly! ;)

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davidmac wrote: It seems to me that the reason behind evolutionary traits are complex and multifaceted (New gene variants reveal the evolution of human skin color). It's a sad state as to what is accepted as science based on nothing more than an idea with zero evidence to support it...polar bears are white: presumably at some stage their victims did not run away in time, so they got more lunch than brown bears during the ice age
Europeans have more whiteness expressed, as equally they would both hunt and be hunted across snowfields ...



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Melanin was an adaptation to protect the skin from UV damage, and in cold climates clothes were worn so less need for the melanin. I dunno, evolutionary arguments can be endless.



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 Posted: Wed Jun 20th, 2018 10:51

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Be-well, if you look at the secosteroid ring B, which has one side missing, and rotate around ring A you can see that it has a lot more flexibility than the 4-ringed structure, but that one of the things it can do is fit into the same place as the standard steroid. Thus, in actuality, it is even more ubiquitous than a normal steroid, with many more targets :)

I demonstrated this at the very end of my FDA presentation in 2005-ish.

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The idea that the secosteroid 25D is 'mild' and not deadly potent was made clear to me when my 25D serum levels fell below 11 ng/ml, then fell some more. It nearly put me into the hospital from nausea, diarrhea caused dehydration.

What is considered mild is because the addition of D from an already suppressed immune system at +20 ng/ml to higher serum levels is a misleading change from suppressed to more suppressed, the 'S' shaped curve.



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You have clarified my understanding Dr Marshall. I thought of the standard steroid, (prednisone for example) as equal to the action of 'vitamin' d, but now I see that seco 'vitamin' D is much bigger trouble. It really motivates me to want to shout it from the roof tops.



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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/business/vitamin-d-michael-holick.html
"In an interview, he said that working for Quest for four decades — he is currently paid $1,000 a month — hasn’t affected his medical advice. "

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Greetings, MP Land: Found this article on the great Vitamin D HOAX. About time, eh? Wanted to be sure "WE" all got to read it!

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/strategy/man-who-sold-america-vitamin-d-�-and-profited-process

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That URL didn't work for me but this one did:

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/strategy/man-who-sold-america-vitamin-d-%E2%80%94-and-profited-process

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 Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2018 17:36

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The articles are essentially the same message, that D supplementation and testing was a hoax.

However, since this has hit mainstream (NY Times and their reprint group), It may be an ideal time to submit "series" discussion clarifying things the article missed, like how the D metabolism has been shown via science to function so people left standing around with piles of pills in huge D, fish oil and etc. bottles don't quickly forget and assume their condition wasn't part of the hoax.



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 Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2018 17:45

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Janet,

I agree.

Science has shown how the "vitamin" D metabolism functions. Those who have conditions, and ingest huge amounts of fish oil or Vit. D pills or milk! are victims of misinformation.

Remove the offender and your body will heal slowly.

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