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At last - the slow pace of medical research is being criticized
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 Posted: Sun Nov 11th, 2007 17:56

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There are sins of ommission and sins of commission.  Perhaps Dr. Oz is simply suffering from sins of ommission.  Like most MD's (according to my husband) he was taught to think inside the box.  Surgeons especially, cannot go out on a limb because of malpractice.  If a physician does anything that cannot be supported by the "standard of care"  he will have his rear-end handed to him on a platter by a smug jury.  Whether we like it or not, our society has forced Physicians to practice under the narrow scope they use.  I was failed by mainstream medicine but we have society to blame.  As the Practice Manager for my husband my main thought every minute was to make sure that every breath was documented in the event that someone decided to sue.  I completely understand why doctors would want to "put on their blinders" and simply practice what they were taught in Med School.  Once the science behind the MP becomes a bit more utilized, you will see more adoption but at this point the first ones out to breakfast will be the ones taken down by any bullets (lawyers). 

In the meantime....fighting the good fight.



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Perhaps, these excerpts from a link provided by Russ, can allow folks to see why Trevor says that the Th1 inflammation is a soup or stew of bacterial L-forms causing a soup or stew of symptoms, not just one bacteria causing one illnesses....

Found at    http://tinyurl.com/ybfo8l  ....
 
Detection and Identification of Previously Unrecognized Microbial Pathogens
 
David A. Relman, Stanford University, Stanford, California, USA, and Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System, Palo Alto, California, USA
Emerging Infectious Diseases, Vol 4, Number 3, July-September 1998
 
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"Explorations of microbial diversity within the external environment have yielded surprising results. Nearly all bacteria and archaea revealed by broad-range sequence "mining" in fresh water sites, oceans, surface soils, and deep geologic niches had not been recognized or ever cultivated in the laboratory. Novel kingdoms of life have been discovered with these genotypic methods (12,13). It has been estimated that only 0.4% of all extant bacterial species have been identified. Does this remarkable lack of knowledge pertain to the subset of microorganisms both capable and accomplished in causing human disease? The molecular methods described above could be applied in several settings in which one might expect to find uncharacterized microbial pathogens."
 
"The human body harbors a 10-fold greater number of microbial cells than human cells. The commensal flora includes microorganisms that occasionally cause disease, especially when host defenses are impaired (due to immunosuppressive drugs, disruption of anatomic barriers, suppression of bacterial flora with antibiotics, or insertion of artificial surfaces). However, in many hosts with impaired conditions and signs and symptoms of infectious disease, an etiologic agent is not identified. If our understanding of microbial diversity within the human-associated commensal flora is as limited as it was of external environments, these clinical observations may not be surprising. That is, the inability to cultivate some of the commensal flora may explain the failure to diagnose related disease. In addition to revolutionizing environmental microbiology, molecular methods may offer rewards for clinical microbiology and the study of internal environmental niches."
 
Pardon me if I have missed seeing this elsewhere on the study forum.  I must ask the medical community... How do you expect to use Koch's Postulates to unravel this complexity?  The surface of knowledge is just barely scratched.  The 21st Century must allow a change in thinking if medicine is to progress.
 
Wishing all wellness!!!  :)
 
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 Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2007 14:51

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That study is listed among others in this thread in the Essential Information forum:

Studies citing a bacterial cause for chronic diseases


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 Posted: Tue Nov 13th, 2007 18:20

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I watched Oprah also last week and wondered if Dr. Oz might be receptive to learning about the MP.  As I recall he mentioned receiving information about the alternative fibromyalgia treatment from Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum.  The audience member who had sufferred from fibromyalgia pain for 6-7 years was drastically improved by taking Vitamin D as she was found to have low Vit. D levels.  Surprise, surprise that they were low:shock:.  It scared me to think of how many people out there watch and trust Oprah and Dr. Oz and that this misinformation was being broadcasted to the masses.

He did say that he's in a great position because he receives so much information from other doctors about new and alternative medical treatments.

Let's hope he means that and will listen about the MP.


(Sorry if this info. is redundant, just thought I'd throw it out there).

Cindy

p.s.  If you need volunteers some day to be on the Oprah show my husband Brian said he would go...although he's not quite a success story...yet;)



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 Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2007 16:52

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I was listening to the Dr. Oz show on XMRadio this past Thursday.  He was talking to a Micro-Biologist who is well-published on the use of pro-biotics and fermentation.  The conversation turned to bacteria and Dr. Oz said "The scientific community is starting to present alot of new information that the chronic fatigue syndromes, auto-immune disorders and the drastic increase in allergy syndromes may very well be caused by bacteria.  This does not mean that they are the only cause, but it is certainly gives medicine some new direction if the research proves this to be true"  



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We are getting the message out:
"Thermophilic actinomycetes, mycobacteria and paecilomyces have been associated with the formation of noncaseating granulomas. Sarcoidosis is a disease characterized by the formation of noncaseating granulomas and there is a higher than expected rate of sarcoidosis among people who work or worked in the building,"
This is in a report from the NIOSH, no less. Here is the newspaper article: http://tinyurl.com/3xy29m

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Forbes.com is running Andy Groves as part of it's cover story.

http://www.forbes.com/home/leadership/forbes/2008/0128/070.html

Hope the link works. Maybe someone with parkinsons type symptoms or diagnosis could leave a comment on the article. I put my 2 cents worth in.

Mindy



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OK, I chimed in too.  Hope they publish my reply there and I hope that Mr Groves actually reads the comments. 
I would love to be a fly on the wall when he starts to see the information unfold on Dr Marshall's websites.



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I have one observation (which is kind of depressing) concerning Andy's use/support of the Michael J. Fox Institute as was mentioned in the Forbes' article and also I think in the original one.

That observation is,  if you go to the MJF website,  there is no way to just get an email to, say, Michael's personal secretary to ask him to personally have a look at the MP as a possible solution to his problems.

The only thing Trevor or anyone could do to make contact would be to draw up a grant application and submit it.    But,  guess who would be reviewing the application?  The same  Blue Ribbon Panel  of doctors/researchers composed of the Leaders in Their Fields -- and they would reject the MP heretical ideas in an instant.   I am sure MJF never actually looks over any of the applications himself.  Heck, the doctors/researchers themselves probably have interns making the first pass cut even.

So, probably the only way to get MJF's (or Andy Grove's) attention will be to track him down,  ask to shake his hand and pass along the MP address to him in-person.   And if we even got that far,  and he even managed to look over the site and get excited about the info,   the next thing he would do, as all good HeadOfMajorInstitutes/CEO would do  is ask his most trusted science advisor from the same Panel what they thought about the MP -- and once again it would be rejected out of hand.  Unless MJF/Grove had a good stubborn streak that would be the end of that.

kind of sad ....  so we have to just soldier on converting one human at a time until we finally somehow get lucky and the right person finds out and it all takes off.

 

 



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"Andy Grove is to bequeath up to $40 million of his estate to fight Parkinson’s, the disease he has suffered from for several years. Grove will donate the money to the Michael J. Fox Foundation"

Warning: The link to the full story (below) contains profanity - it was written for British eyes, and may offend the sensibilities of some members...
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/11/andy-grove-puts-million-fight


..Trevor..

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I just read this thread through from the beginning and the initial discussion about open-source development makes me think that this is a good place to suggest something I've been thinking about since before you opened the sister site.

I think that the wikimedia software would be a perfect repository for all of the read-only information which is currently scattered through many different threads on this site. It would become your primary entry portal. I could discuss extensively why I think it would improve things, but the most important reasons are that the wikimedia software is designed to disseminate information (bbs software isn't), and that you could spread the burden of information management to a larger group than the few moderators you have here, whose primary task isn't information management but patient monitoring.

I realize that you can't give editing privileges to just anyone, but you have a large cohort now of people in Phase 3 and beyond who could be given access as volunteers to transfer and organize the information.

Just a suggestion.

Laura

p.s. Got my DVDs yesterday. Thank you for the extra set; I am taking it to my doctor this morning. I am hoping to start Benicar this week.



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Laura, you underestimate the expertise that is required to compose and edit the unique information on our study site which is updated on a daily basis.

Most information is in only two forums:
Essential Information About the Marshall Protocol
Marshall Protocol FAQs

Note the new threads of 'Basic Information' pinned to the top of the Essential Information Forum, the Benicar Only Forum and the Benicar and Minocycline Forum.

How can we help you get started on the MP? :)

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I removed a post I had left here earlier. On reflection, I decided that it was not a good time to raise the issues I had canvassed in that post :)
 

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It was just a suggestion! :)

Meg, the serious answer to your question is: I have some food questions I will try to post this morning.



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Hello all,

Hope this is is an acceptable place to post this...

I was diagnosed with Sarcoidosis Jan 2008 and on the advice of my surgeon & pulmonologist, promptly made an appointment to see Dr. Om Sharma at USC.  I have had to wait 2 months to see him.

In the meantime, I have researched sarcoidosis, found the MP, and a willing doctor, and started Benicar today!  Today is Friday, and I just realized my appt. is this coming Monday, Mar 3, 2008.  Too late to cancel.  I may as well just go and get it over with.

The most recent posts on Dr. Sharma are pretty old; I am wondering if anyone has had more recent experience with him.  I'm tempted to just sit there and keep my mouth shut if I am to expect a lecture from him about the uselessness of the MP.  On the other hand, if his attitude has changed at all, or if there is anything I can say or pass along to him that may enlighten him, I'll be happy to do it.

My pulmonologist shut me down with a lecture before I could utter 5 words; I don't want to repeat that experience.

Do any of you have any thoughts about this guy?

Cheers,

Melinda



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Melinda,
Here is a PDF file of a newsletter from 2004 where Dr Sharma's view of disease is pretty carefully set out.
http://www.sarcoidosisnetwork.org/documents/Jan_Feb_2004.pdf

I have a DVD of a presentation that Dr Sharma made at the 2005 Denver conference saying something like "the only reason sarcoidosis patients don't get better is because they don't take their prednisone diligently."

I don't know what to advise. On one hand, it is best to keep a low profile with Dr Sharma, as he is likely to be called by a hospital Doc if, for example, you were ever admitted for pneumonia. Sharma would exercise the power of life or death over you. His advice to use heavy-handed immunosuppression led to Allen Dawkins' death from massive hospital-acquired-infection, for example. And his advice to Kathy's doctor that she would never recover from her disease most probably led to her being not resuscitated the next time she was admitted to hospital with shortness of breath.

On the other hand, your Doc prescribing the MP may feel it important for you to see Dr Sharma. It's a tough call. But I can assure you that nothing you can say or do would change Dr Sharma's opinion that he knows all there is to know about this disease, and that he is the world's leading expert on the subject.
http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~osharma/
 
 

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Dr. Marshall,

The doc who's prescribing the MP is not the guy who sent me to Dr. Sharma.

I'm tempted to call in "well" and blow off the appointment, then again, my mother, who is all but forcing me to see him and will be at the appointment, may gain some new insight on the MP, which she supports but does not entirely understand.

If I do go and have an unusual experience, I'll share the story, but I have a feeling it'll be more of the same resistance that others have experienced.  I'm actually kind of looking forward to checking out the other sarcoidosis patients in the waiting room; I've never seen anyone else with this disease (that I know of).

Have a great weekend!

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Andy Grove just donated 40 million dollars to the Michael J Fox center for Parkinsons, as he himself has contracted the disease.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/11/andy-grove-puts-million-fight

This is the man you ran intel. A very influential and intelligent man.
I was recently thinking that he should be made aware of Dr Marshalls research.

His involvement, and (hopefully) buy in would certainly propel this protocol forward.

Jim

Sorry, was just reading all the posts on this topic.
I didn't say anything that you didn't already know :)

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I wonder on what type of research these 40 million will be spent. Probably stem cell research



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"Favored institutions get more dollars per principal investigator (i.e., laboratory head), which supports larger laboratories. This has surprising impacts on the amount and nature of scientific output.

First, although output increases with increasing lab size, it does not scale proportionately. Second, articles from smaller labs tend to be more innovative and succeed in terms of influence further into the future than those of larger labs, which tend to develop existing ideas.

There is high value for research conducted by smaller laboratories and less-well-funded institutions, challenging the notion that bigger is better."
The practice of favoring already well-funded institutions with higher grant application success rates and larger award sizes, despite their lower productivity (Fig. 1), is a clear example of the Matthew effect in action."  
Wayne P. Wahls PNAS July 2, 2019



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