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 Posted: Wed Mar 18th, 2009 14:02

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UPDATE:

The HD video of both presentations is now online.
The first presentation is titled "It is time to bury Koch - Infectious Disease transitions to an understanding of the Metagenome." I use the HIV and M.tuberculosis genomes to illustrate how the Th1 metagenomic microbiota interacts with the human genome to cause chronic disease:
 
http://vimeo.com/4307469

The second presentation focuses on the MP itself, and the latest observations gleaned from the MP cohort:

http://vimeo.com/4293599

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For those with slow computers or Internet who need a download, I have created a compact version of the videos, suitable for download. These will play using either the Mac or PC version of VLC

The MP presentation is 138 MB, and can be downloaded from
(right-click on this link to download, don't just click it or it will try to play)
http://MarshallProtocol.com/flash/Prague-MP.mp4

The main presentation is 176MB and can be downloaded from
(right-click on this link to download, don't just click it or it will try to play)
http://MarshallProtocol.com/flash/Prague-Science.mp4

..Trevor..
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I have been asked to speak at the 'Workshop on Chlamydia Infection' on April 18th, in Prague. Two presentations are scheduled, one on the science, one on the MP, totaling 70 minutes.

The heavy-weight panel of speakers include Professor Subramaniam Sriram (of Vanderbilt, an expert on the Stratton Protocol) and Professor Tomas Rudel from Universität Würzburg, so there should be some vigorous discussion :)

I received an email from Ron (in the Netherlands) saying that he, Anne and Annamarie will be traveling to Prague for the conference, and for a get-together on Sunday. Martin (from Norway) might also be able to join us.

A conference announcement is now on the web:
http://tinyurl.com/dbwvs7

A preliminary program can be found at
http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/trash/WORKSHOP_CHLAMYDIAL_INFECTION_2009-PROGRAM.pdf

I will be setting aside Sunday for informal and follow-up meetings, so if you are in the area, please drop me an email and I will give you the contact information :)
 

Last edited on Wed Apr 29th, 2009 18:35 by Prof Trevor Marshall

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 Posted: Thu Mar 19th, 2009 07:41

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Dr. Marshall,

I had not heard of the Stratton protocol, but was able to read some about the protocol at their website. http://www.cpnhelp.org/handbookintro

I see that the Stratton protocol implicates "tiny bacteria" that invades cells as the cause of Chlamydia and that the pathogen can invade the entire system.  He also mentioned slowly ramping antibiotics and IP, as well as a lengthy treatment period.  I have found no mention of biofilms, Vitamin D reduction or benicar (yet). 

In what way is the science behind this protocol and the Marshall protocol similar and how is it different?  How is the treatment similar or different?  

Do you anticipate that you presentation and Sriram's presentations will compliment one another?

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 Posted: Thu Mar 19th, 2009 09:52

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Trevor

Are you planning on recording the speaks on video and publish them at the vimeo account? (as usual?) Aremore people from the ARF coming along?

I was "this" (a small "this", far from booking a ticket right now, but I thought I would ask the other MP'ers in Norway, via our yahoo group, if they would like to join as well.

BR
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 Posted: Thu Mar 19th, 2009 14:30

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Quite awhile back (more than 10 years) i tried the Stratton protocol.  It did not induce any herxes nor did it produce any improvements.  Basically, i couldnt tell i was doing any therapy.

I did know some others who were doing this protocol, they did herx even if they didnt improve much.  Anyone have an explanation for that (that is, why some might not even herx?)     Guessing--the VDR is so dysfunctional the abx can make no difference???  If the VDR is somewhat funtional, the abx can modulate things some . . .



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 Posted: Thu Mar 19th, 2009 14:39

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Guessing--the VDR is so dysfunctional the abx can make no difference
And the winner for today is - - DOGSTER...:):)

Yes, the VDR dysfunction is progressive, and as your VDR get progressively knocked out, your body becomes less and less able to work properly.

Review Janet's six stages of Th1 disease:
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/VDR-Time-Benicar.pdf
 

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The entrance fee for the conference is 30 EUR per person which includes lunch and refreshments, they will also assist with accommadation tips (?) Although it's easy to find good accommadation online in this area, I will opt for "Hotel Downtown" which is a new 4 star hotel 250 mtrs from the Museum (Narodni Museum = National Museum) where the session is held.

The Museum in located in Praha 1 (District 1) which is right in the center of town. April is a beatiful month to visit Praha (Prague) because there are not as many tourists there as in the summer time, after Paris, Praha is Europe's most popular tourist capital destinations.

The promised to set up a registration form online later today I will post it when it is ready.

BR

Martin

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 Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 12:49

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I found the stuff on the meg-vitamin D supplementation on the Stratton protocol.  Yikes.   I wish I could be there.  Please share when you come back.



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So we are three MP'ers coming down from Norway.

The registration form is now ready online:

http://www.medindex.cz/odborna-akce/workshop-chlamydiova-infekce-2009-20

Looking forward to some interesting discussions and presentations.

BR
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 Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 05:55

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Trevor,

Something is not clear to me. Looking through some of the work of Adam Arkin, I am not sure if Chlamydia also uses the spo0a and other sporulation genes. Maybe none at all.

Yet Chlamydia elementary bodies have been described in detail, which seems to indicate that sporulation doés play a role in the Chlamydia species.

My question therefore is: does Chlamydia use sporulation to form these elementary bodies?

Curiously, Frans



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I haven't researched it. In Prague I will be focusing on genomes which are better elucidated than Chlamydia. Focus on the mechanisms.

Sporulation is probably not in play in the metagenomic microbiota. Probably a lot more complex interactions are in play.
 
 

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Ah, ok, but that throws a wrench into some ideas I have had about the role of sporulation in the, sometimes sudden, onset of several of these diseases.

I know sudden onset is a wrong concept, so let me call it suddenly being symptomatic.

I will give an example.

In MS, there is a form called Relapsing Remitting MS.

What I was thinking was the following.

It seems that the Relapses in RR-MS occur after some sort of stressor like an acute viral infection.

My thought was that if that happens, the brain gets perfused with blood, which might lead to sporulation turning around, bacteria active, active infection, relapse.

As soon as this stressor goes away, the bacteria that have come out of sporulation will sporulate again, since the abundantly available bloodlevels will subside again.

This then feels like 'remission', but the bacteria are simply still there, but less active in their sporulated state.

Interestingly, we have seen several diseases that move along the same patterns.

Let me give some examples:

ME:  rears its ugly head after viral infection in many cases
Same mechanism:  blood, de-sporulation, symptomatic

Sarc:  sometimes these so-called remissions: same mechanism

But the list goes goes on:

- Post Traumatic Dystrophy (Ellen has that)

but also

- Post Taumatic Stress Syndrome ...

- Post Natal depression ...

Etc.

Just thinking out loud

Best, Frans



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Another thought about this.

One thing that is common in the above diagnoses is that the tissues it starts in are tissues that are not very well perfused with blood.

Which means not very much to eat for the bacteria, which, in itself, could promote sporulation.

In posttraumatic dystrophy, the disease invariably starts at the site of tendons. Be it ankle, or wrist. Not very well perfused tissue.

Then something happens, wrist gets broken, or ankle ligaments tear. Blood rushes in, carrying food for the bacteria and wham, symptomatic.

RSI might be another example. Loads of repetitions, more blood, de-sporulation, etc etc.

This might also be one of the factors why exercise sometimes leads to more herx. Or why bathing in hot water does so. Higher temperature, perfusion, etc.

It sounded good when I thought it out  :D

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Frans,
In Prague I will be trying to explain why the problem of the human metagenomic microbiota is imponderable.

So don't get too downcast over not being able to describe it exactly :) There are just too many things going on at once for the system to be deterministic. It is stochastic, not deterministic :)
 

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How was it ?

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Hi Frans!

It was very interesting and awsome to meet Dr.Marshall in person! :dude:

About the content of the workshop I think Dr.Marshall can better explain that part.

Prague is a beautiful city, we've had great weather and met very nice people there.:cool:

 

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Indeed, really nice people! I put some pictures here.

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The first video, the presentation which explains why the MP has not much to do with Antibiotics :) is now up online at URL:

http://vimeo.com/4293599

Ron has offered to do a written transcript, but it is a big job. Please contact Ron if you can help him do some of the text :)

The main presentation will be online tomorrow... Even more transcribing will be necessary then - it runs about 50 minutes, including questions.
 

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Trevor,

In this presentation you mention a study (Cochrane and National cancer institute?) that went through 500 papers on vit. D where the conclusions did not fit the data.

Can you give us the pubmedID of that paper ?

Best, Frans



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AWESOME...AWESOME...AWESOME Presentation!!!:cool:
I felt like I was there when watching the VIMEO.
It was easy to understand everything....
I am so blessed and excited that Little Man Jake and I are recovering our health.

WOW! I will go to work today renewed and excited in body and spirit:D
(I will go to work today.....this in itself is amazing;))

Thank You Dr. Marshall:)

WOW!:P

P.S. who was that guy standing in front of the camera blocking you off and on??? MOVE PLEASE:shock:




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Frans,
Joyce just wrote an excellent paper for Annals of the NY Academy of Sciences which reviewed all the relevant literature. We should be able to put a preprint online soon, but meantime, I have emailed you a confidential copy.
 


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