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 Posted: Thu Sep 23rd, 2010 21:46

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Borrelia is just one of the pathogens which tries to knock out the VDR in order to persist. It is part of the microbiota, and seems to lose most of its genome when it goes into the metagenome. It is over-rated as a pathogen by folk who don't seem to be able to understand that one pathogen is unlikely to cause all the disease dysfunctions typically labeled as 'Lyme'. Well one could, but it is unlikely, and the pathogen would likely not disappear as disease moves towards the chronic phase.

People who react violently to tick bites are already ill, with an immune system already struggling against its microbiota. Borrelia's additional suppression of the VDR may occasionally push people's immune systems "over the edge" but usually the microbiota takes another few (or more) years to reach overwhelming proportions.
 
As I say in my "take home points" from Glasgow "association is not causation." Sometimes there are also bystanders at the scene of a crime :) Sometimes unwitting accomplices :)
 

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 Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2010 11:04

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The video of my presentation, and the question and answer session, is now online at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO-f0cqnz-4
 
 

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 Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2010 12:51

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I like it, awesome!!! Lots of detail into the science, very complex. I don't know too much about most of the things you were talking about. And, it looks like most of those scientists didn't either. One guy tries to bring politics into it and got slammed with a nice answer.
The other guy looked like he had some good scientific questions, and ended up just asking how to find out all these things that he worked so hard at and couldn't get the answers.
What a way to show them who's the BOSS!



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 Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2010 13:40

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I enjoyed that - the science is changing before their very eyes and some are too self  absorbed and insular to recognise it. ... (gotta love those big research/sponsorship grants)

"your can measure things like magic, that I've been spending years trying to measure"...........might I do  a Trevor and suggest google....

Prof Marshall your presentation of the data & science seems to get stronger with each outing and I hope that resonates with the intended audiences.  There are those that will argue on semantics and refuse to take off their blinkers, but the evidence is mounting and the beneficiaries (people getting well) will be the winners here.

Well done, I appreciate the efforts you and the team are makng on our behalf...:cool:



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 Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2010 14:14

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Bravo Dr Marshall!  Another outstanding and clear presentation!  It gets better and better as you hone the science underlying it all! 

It appears you danced into the "belly of the beast" and shook them up quite effectively!!  I especially enjoyed the expression on the Professor seated next to you during the Q & A session.. Prof. Ascherio I believe ... he looked as though he had just swallowed a bushel of lemons!  :D

Do you think you at least made some of the other researchers think outside the box a bit?  Did any of them show an open mind on this vital question of vitamin D's role in human health? It must be very hard for these other researchers to have someone demonstrate that something they have worked on for many years with all good intentions... is WRONG!!!  And scientists hate to have their theories and work proven wrong. 

I admire your courage to face such a contrary audience.  Of course it certainly helps to have the facts and the science, not to even mention the massive anecdotal evidence, which they dismiss out of hand, firmly on YOUR side!! 

When can we get a copy of that book chapter... it is sure to be stellar I am sure.




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 Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2010 14:16

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Woohooo! Go Prof, go! I just finished watching it and, like John McC, I loved the way you handled it. "you can measure things like magic..." - priceless!
Big congrats!



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 Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2010 14:32

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I hope the more people look into getting their governments into paying for their Vit D expenses, will lead to the governments turn to you. All things have a way to balance out.



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Wow that was brilliant Prof M, you are getting better and better :) and faster and faster :) the guy sat next to you at the Q and A was suffering lol



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 Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2010 15:18

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Great to finally see that one!!!!!

  I am struck by the expressions of the gentlemen sitting with you....either stupified or maybe  embarrassed....hard to say....but it seemed like disbelief.

 At this point in time it seems as though patients have been graciously given the perspectives on chronic disease and Vitamin D that the researchers/professors  really need to acquire. 



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Trevor, aside from a show of appreciation and admiration for your continued efforts, how many people were at that session? Were they mostly physicians?

You mentioned IRB. What is this?

Impressive presentation. Loved the "need lots of money" and "I'll send you a copy" of your book chapter. Love it :)

Look forward to reading the chapter in the new book.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2010 17:59

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Not only a great presentation but nice job on the video.
I like how you displayed the screen in such a readable manner.



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 Posted: Fri Sep 24th, 2010 19:36

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Thanks to everybody for your good wishes. I want to particularly thank all my colleagues for working through the slides and presentation with me before I left for Scotland :)
 
 
Rico wrote: Trevor, aside from a show of appreciation and admiration for your continued efforts, how many people were at that session? Were they mostly physicians?
There were probably about 10-15 in the room. It was an invited summit, after all. But that number included experts such as Prof Reinhold Vieth, Dr Sreeram V. Ramagopalan, Dr Elina Hyppönen, Prof. Alberto Ascherio and Prof. Helmut Butzkueven.

The questioner about 'anecdotal' was not one of these, I am not sure who that was.

Also present were staff from the Scottish Government and UK National Health Services...
 

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Rico wrote: You mentioned IRB. What is this?

Institutional review board (Wikipedia)

"An institutional review board (IRB), also known as an independent ethics committee (IEC) or ethical review board (ERB), is a committee that has been formally designated to approve, monitor, and review biomedical and behavioral research involving humans with the aim to protect the rights and welfare of the research subjects."

Awesome performance Trevor!!! It must indeed have come across like "magic" to some in that audience. :D:D:D

Thank you!

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For those who live in Countries where YouTube is blocked, or those who want to download a clean MP4 copy of the video, I have put them up on Vimeo now, and they should be available at these URLs:

http://www.vimeo.com/15279071

http://www.vimeo.com/15278736
 

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I am a patient who has been helped by your discovery.  I cut out all vitamin D, took olmesartan and antibiotics, and got better.

I would be unable to work and on disability if I had continued to eat fortified foods and to take vitamins with vitamin D.

Yet those doctors are completely locked into thinking that vitamin D and more vitamin
D is helpful.  Thanks for standing up to the medical establishment with facts and really helping those who were sick.   



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Dr. Marshall and ARF,

A masterful presentation--our side is getting stronger and stronger.

Sherry



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Dr. Marshall,

Great work! What feedback, if any, did you get from the participants after your presentation? How about from the conference organizers? Maybe the Scots would like to conduct a clinical trial on their MS sufferers with one group following the MP and another taking vitamin D supplements.



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DMiller wrote:Maybe the Scots would like to conduct a clinical trial on their MS sufferers with one group following the MP and another taking vitamin D supplements.
I doubt that would work out. You see, they know that Vitamin D cures MS, while the MP is dangerous. So it would not be ethical to conduct such a trial :)
 
 
Like many Th1 patients, the MS sufferers which I met had very little cognition left. I tried to explain to one that trying to get Vitamin D put into milk to prevent MS was putting the cart before the horse. Until you can treat the disease you can't expect to prevent it, because you have no idea what causes the illness. But I just couldn't get through. He knew that Vitamin D was preventative, and that was that... An eminent scientist had told him so...
  

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http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Research/Scottish-islands-selected-for-new-vitamin-D-study/?c=TSqlTaJaZt5C07H62n9UUA%3D%3D&utm_source=newsletter_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter%2BDaily

Islands in the sun!



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It is desastrous.

It is long known that the occurence of MS on Orkney and Shetland happend during WWII and before it was very rare.
here a link which is from 'Multiple Sclerosis, a comprehensice guide'
http://books.google.com/books?id=EK4buPsKhnEC&pg=PA133&lpg=PA133&dq=infectious+MS+orkney&source=bl&ots=k1koRr5wUp&sig=FNueJojr4K4FNG0bOqQlyN__hWk&hl=de&ei=yG1JTdvPOdO2hAebzMyxDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=infectious%20MS%20orkney&f=false

And regarding the amount of intake of VitD via fish and mussles should not be forgotten esp on those islands. And beside, the sea reflects so much light........

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