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Prof Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Jan 27th, 2011 19:38 |
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Another study is out, this one showing that Vitamin D doesn't boost bone strength in aging men. Most of the previous studies have looked only at women:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jc.2010-2284v1
So why do we continue to 'fortify' our milk? Apparently it is because of people like this:Despite the findings, people still need to get enough calcium and vitamin D to reduce the risk of osteoporosis, or bone thinning, said Dr. Mone Zaidi, an osteoporosis researcher at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, who was not involved in the study.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70Q8V020110127
IMO Vitamin D will turn out to be the biggest, and most costly, mistake that Medicine has ever made. Worse than Thalidomide. Worse than FenFen. It is just a matter of time until the people taking high doses of Vitamin D find that not only is it harming them, but they cannot even wean from this steroid.
It seems like hardly a week goes by without another study coming back showing Vit D is no help as a supplement. Not for cancer, not for bone, not for anything. Sigh...
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scooker48
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Posted: Fri Jan 28th, 2011 10:49 |
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Excellent news for our cohort.
I notice the dates are prior to the IOM publication dated end of November 2010.
Sherry
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Prof Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Fri Jan 28th, 2011 11:28 |
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Submitted before IOM, published after IOM, just recently...
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efrenz
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Posted: Mon Jun 6th, 2011 11:56 |
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| I often wonder how much BMD is a true indicator of bone strength. My last(& only) BMD test was very low(-2.5), but I feel less pain in my joints and bones since being on the MP, and have never had any broken bones, etc. Doc is a little concerned. I have been doing more impact type exercising in hopes this helps. I'm 45yo, and my last 25D test was basically zero.
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NWLinda
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Posted: Sat Nov 5th, 2011 15:06 |
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Dr. Marshall,
I just wrote to the folks at Turtle Mountain who produce milk from almonds, rice, soy, and coconut, asking them to stop adding vitamin D. I was hoping others on the MP might consider doing the same thing.
Turtle Mountain contact:
Consumer and Product Inquiries
8:00 am - 5:00 pm PST (Mon. - Fri.)
Joseph Garland
info@turtlemountain.com
(P) 866-388-7853 ext. 330
Thank you, Dr. Marshall!
NWLinda
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jlunn247
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Posted: Sun Nov 6th, 2011 19:40 |
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| You'd have to ask them to drop the soy too before the product would be acceptable. Cynthia
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jlunn247
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Posted: Thu Nov 10th, 2011 05:46 |
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i think its rice milk . almond milk , soy ,milk all seperate
i used to drink pure soy.
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NickBowler
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Posted: Wed Nov 16th, 2011 03:30 |
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Chalk another one up!
LinkLast edited on Fri Aug 10th, 2012 07:42 by
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Prof Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Wed Nov 16th, 2011 04:31 |
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--> levels above 100ng/ml !!!! 
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Posted: Wed Nov 16th, 2011 06:59 |
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| Thanks so much, Linda! I, too, will write to protest the addition of Vitamin D to these products!
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Posted: Wed Nov 16th, 2011 08:40 |
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| That story about the vitamin d pills from the telegraph appears to be gone now???
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Posted: Wed Nov 16th, 2011 10:00 |
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A synopsis of the article is still available at: link. It's interesting that the article was taken down so quickly. The results were presented this week at a meeting of the American Heart Association.
"Researchers at the Intermountain Medical Centre in Utah looked at blood tests from 132,000 of their patients.
They found those with vitamin D levels above 100 nanograms per 100ml, were 2.5 times more likely to have AF as those with normal levels (41-80ng/100ml).
Dr T Jared Bunch, a heart rhythm specialist, said patients should always tell their doctors what vitamins they were taking."
AF is Atrial Fibrillation, an irregular heart beat that can increase risk of stroke.
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Prof Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Nov 17th, 2011 05:00 |
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Hi Sujay
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Posted: Thu Nov 17th, 2011 11:54 |
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I got the 404 on that link also Sujay.
I'm sure it's just one of those internet mixups.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17th, 2011 14:55 |
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Nick's link (telegraph.co.uk) is working
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Posted: Tue Nov 22nd, 2011 15:22 |
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Relationship is found between low vitam D levels and recurrent spional cord inflamation. However, the suggested remedy appears to be supplementation.
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Posted: Wed Nov 23rd, 2011 16:24 |
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Calcium, lead, and vitamin D in association with renal cell carcinoma risk in a cohort of male Finnish smokers.
"RCC diagnosis was positively associated with serum calcium (Ptrend=0.002) and 25-hydroxyvitamin D"
Southard EB, Roff A, Fortugno T, Richie JP, Kaag M, Chinchilli VM, Virtamo J, Albanes D, Weinstein S, Wilson RT
BACKGROUND: Lead (Pb) is classified as a probable human carcinogen. However, its role in renal cell cancer (RCC) has not been established. Calcium and vitamin D may off-set toxicity in vivo. METHODS: In this nested case-control study, whole blood lead (Pb), total serum calcium, and serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D were measured in blood drawn prior to diagnosis among male smokers participating in the Alpha-Tocopherol, Beta-Carotene Cancer Prevention Study. Single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) in five genes (CALB1, TRPV5, TRPV6, VDR, and ALAD) related to lead toxicity or calcium transport were genotyped. Logistic and linear regression were used to determine RCC risk and time to diagnosis (respectively), adjusting for other risk factors.RESULTS: Among 154 newly diagnosed cases and 308 matched controls, RCC was associated with higher whole blood lead (OR=2.0, 95% CI:1.0,3.9; quartile 4 (Q4) v. Q1, Ptrend=0.022) and CALB1 rs1800645 (Ptrend=0.025, minor 'T' allele frequency=0.34). Higher total serum calcium (Ptrend=<0.001) was associated with reduced RCC risk. Total serum calcium and 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels did not alter the association observed with lead. Time from enrollment to RCC diagnosis was positively associated with serum calcium (Ptrend=0.002) and 25-hydroxyvitamin D (Ptrend=0.054) among cases.CONCLUSIONS: Higher blood lead concentrations, below the 10 ug/dL level of concern, were associated with RCC, independent from serum calcium and CALB1 promoter polymorphism. Impact: Increased risk of RCC is associated with lower serum calcium and higher whole blood lead in smokers. The clinical prognostic value of serum calcium and vitamin D in RCC should be further investigated.
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| Has anyone written to the Food Democracy Now folks about Vit D?
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Posted: Mon Nov 28th, 2011 08:40 |
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| Thanks, Eleanor, for bringing up Food Democracy Now. I just wrote to them and signed up.
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