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mvanwink5
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 Posted: Thu Jan 18th, 2018 02:50

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Your D2 is not an issue 1 for D2 vs 36 for D3. 36 is very high, mine usually ran 30 ng/ml. My D2 was never given a number (might have been 1 ng/ml but was just reported as below measurement accuracy), but your test may be sensitive enough to record 1 ng/ml.

When did you stop the chicken? A month ago? And when was your test?



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 Posted: Thu Jan 18th, 2018 03:25

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I stopped all meat about 3 weeks ago. Bread about 2 weeks ago. Blood sample was taken Dec 18. The test was done Dec 29.

The MPKB states the following:

25 D3 – synthesized on human skin when exposed to light; enters the body when a person consumes animal products that contain vitamin D
25 D2 – enters the body when a person consumes plants or fungi that contain vitamin D


I thought beer would only affect the Vitamin D2 level and since mine is very low, have had a couple of drafts over the last 2 weeks or so. Didn't know that D2 can convert to D3. Guess I'd better stop beer intake right away as well.

So in my case, since my D2 is low, I can't make any assumptions where my D3 source is from. It could be converted D2 from fortified or unfortified plants/fungi, or animal products as D3.



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If the non grass fed protein was the source, your diet change would not show up in your last test. At 36 ng/ml I would suspect it will take 3 months for the serum 25D levels to start dropping. Ceasing beer would also be wise, really sorry to say that.



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My understanding is that the organic and grass fed meat in Canada is fortified with

Vitamin D that is in the salt portion of the animals diet.

IMO - The Canadian Government in their wisdom has approved Vitamin D for use in

Organics as a "vitamin". :)



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This page from the Canada Food Inspection Agency

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/information-for-consumers/fact-sheets-and-infographics/irradiation/eng/1332358607968/1332358680017

reports the following about irradiated food ...

To date, the following products have been approved by Health Canada for irradiation: potatoes, onions, wheat, flour, whole wheat flour, whole and ground spices, and dehydrated seasoning preparations

Does that mean these food items might be problematic?



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From that page:

"Three different types of radiation are allowed: Gamma rays, X-rays and electron beam radiation."

"preventing sprouting".? :shock: I think that is awful and foolish, taking out the life energy of fresh food!

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I mean as far as Vitamin D production. In the MPKB, I see this:

By 1934, the irradiation process was extended to produce vitamin D–fortified milk
https://mpkb.org/home/food/vitamind/vitamin_d_supplementation_policy

I've also read about irradiating mushrooms and yeast (for bread) and they're on the list of foods to avoid. Does irradiating any food cause the production of Vitamin D?



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My understanding is that the organic and grass fed meat in Canada is fortified with Vitamin D that is in the salt portion of the animals diet.

Nasty. So sorry to hear that. Nothing is safe. Fortunately, at least for the time being the Amish are not doing that.



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IMHO - They are ALL doing that !!! :(

The D is in the salt blocks from what I was told and everybody uses those.

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https://www.dovepress.com/vitamin-d-and-vitamin-d-receptor-levels-in-children-with-attention-def-peer-reviewed-article-NDT

Vitamin D and vitamin D receptor levels in children with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder



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Serum vitamin D and vitamin D receptor levels and calcium, phosphorus, and alkaline phosphatase were measured. The vitamin D receptor levels in the serum were measured using the quantitative sandwich enzyme immunoassay technique.

Are VDR levels a good measure for Th1 disease? Is this a blood test and is it widely accessible?



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Rico,
They used biochemical measures.

However, they also write:

"Alterations in the cortico-striato-thalamic circuits and
cerebellum through brain imaging studies to shed light on
the etiology of ADHD and the presence of VDR in these
regions have guided us through this study.



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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19264720/

Breastfeeding does not protect against urinary tract infection in the first 3 months of life, but vitamin D supplementation increases the risk by 76%.

Overall, our results indicate that breastfeeding does not protect against the development of UTI, but that vitamin D supplementation increases UTI risk by nearly 2-fold. Most of this increased risk was attributable to vitamin D supplementation of bottle-fed infants, raising concerns that the increased UTI risk with vitamin D supplementation may be dose dependent. Of note, the increased risk of UTI is not limited to cases of hypervitaminosis D; it is seen in infants receiving standard, over-the-counter vitamin D supplements. We do not know if our findings can be extended to older children or adults. Given the severity of UTI in this age group, and the potential for life-threatening complications (sepsis, kidney damage), caution is recommended with use of vitamin D supplements. In the absence of proven benefit for higher doses of vitamin D supplementation, we would recommend using the minimum dose required to prevent rickets, if supplementation is to be recommended at all.

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Rickets myth is still taught in medical schools even today. Sad.



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Hooray!!

I finally got my 25D down. I went cold turkey with a mostly vegetarian diet and no bread for about 2.5 months. In December, it measured 36 ng/ml and by mid March it went down to 20.

My wife and daughter eat the same bread I did and their 25D levels are below 10, so I suspect it's at least one of the meats I've been eating that's th culprit. If I had to guess, I would say it's chicken and/or pork but I ate more chicken than other meat. I cheated only a few times with meat, bread, egg (with yolk) and beer so I'm guessing the less cheating I do, the lower the 25D will be. I think I may introduce beef once in a while to see if the 25D increases but will continue on a primarily vegetarian diet with little bread.

The unexpected benefit of this change is that I've also lost 10 lbs. I was slightly overweight before and am now in the target range.



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The organic and Grass fed Meats are all spiked with Vitamin D as it is classified as a

"vitamin" and put into the vitamin supplements that all the farmers use.

The Canadian Organic Regime does not understand that vitamin d is a steroid probably

because they did not bother to check exactly what it is and it is approved so the cattle

etc. do not get rickets. :)



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I didn't eat organic meat for the most part. Tried it a few times but was discouraged by all the organic farms telling me that the feed contained Vitamin D. Don't know if the amounts are significant or not but didn't want to take a chance.

Then again, I don't know if the mass-produced non-organic meat has Vitamin D or not but I think some of it does.



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Some data on D content in various meats:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941824/table/tbl1/

From: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941824/
(Natural Vitamin D Content in Animal Products)



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As I understand it there is a difference between being 100% grass fed and being organic. It is possible to be one and not the other. If the meat is 100% grass fed you do not need to worry about what the animal ate. It eats only one thing and that is grass. You do not need to worry about feed with added D because there is no feed. They graze on grass and eat nothing else. I am not privy to all the standards for organic. I know some of them. The animal cannot be given growth hormones and most anti-biotics. It cannot be fed GMOs. It can eat other things than grass such as grain as long as it is not GMO. It cannot be exposed to herbicides and pesticides. The ideal is to get meat that is both 100% grass fed and organic. That way you can be sure that it ate only grass. Also, you can be assured that there are no grains, GMOs, herbicides, pesticides, growth hormones, or anti-biotics.
The link below may help explain:

https://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/grass-fed-meat-education/grass-fed-meat-explained

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