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Every week brings more bad news for Vitamin D
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 Posted: Wed May 1st, 2013 05:42

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25D: The higher the better shown to be a misconception.

Both high and low levels of 25D associated with increased morbidity:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130430131623.htm



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 Posted: Sat May 4th, 2013 23:41

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Vitamin D supplementation has no effect on bone mineralisation.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-05/aaop-pim042613.php

Although supplementation had no effect on bone mineralisation they conclude with bizarre logic that "Preterm infants may need 800 IU of vitamin D3 per day"!

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 Posted: Sun May 5th, 2013 02:12

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What an odd study. No effect on bone mineralization - but let's do it again!

Deb



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 Posted: Sun May 5th, 2013 04:53

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1) no effect - The actual finding
2) but we need larger studies - Please send more work my way
3) keep supplementing - Please do not destroy my career

so it goes



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 Posted: Sun May 5th, 2013 18:59

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This is frustrating indeed.  Buried in the story ==> no benefit.  What a bunch of chumps.



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 Posted: Mon May 6th, 2013 04:48

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Also buried at the end of the report:

"Excess vitamin D for at least one month can cause decreased muscle tone, decreased appetite, irritability and constipation, among other problems." Oops...

Let's just do another study to see if we can in some way prove that Vit. D supplementation really helps......something.

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 Posted: Thu May 9th, 2013 17:47

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Raising low Vitamin D levels in COPD does not improve the condition:

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=206341

Arguable of course, from recent research, that the 25D level was raised far too high to be therapeutic in any event but more likely that low 25D levels were the result of disease as usual.

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 Posted: Fri May 17th, 2013 12:45

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Vitamin D: More May Not Be Better; Benefits in Healthy Adults Wear Off at Higher Doses, Research Suggests

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130501192929.htm

"Above 21 nanograms per milliliters, the data suggest that the protective effect appears to wear off"

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 Posted: Fri May 17th, 2013 13:49

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yay Bane
this is just about what TM has been saying ....(at the end stage of MP, aim to keep D25 ~20 ng/ml)

"When they looked at deaths from all causes and cardiovascular disease specifically, those with blood levels of 21 nanograms per milliliter of 25-Hydroxyvitamin D -- at the top of the range that the IOM considers "adequate" and at the low end of "normal" -- cut their risk of death in half."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130501192929.htm 
looks like a good one to take to the reluctant doctor









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 Posted: Sun Oct 13th, 2013 18:08

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Effects of vitamin D supplements on bone mineral density: a systematic review and meta-analysis : The Lancet
Interpretation
Continuing widespread use of vitamin D for osteoporosis prevention in community-dwelling adults without specific risk factors for vitamin D deficiency seems to be inappropriate.

Association of maternal vitamin D status during pregnancy with bone-mineral content in offspring: a prospective cohort study : The Lancet
ConclusionsWe found no relevant association between maternal vitamin D status in pregnancy and offspring BMC in late childhood.


Last edited on Sun Oct 13th, 2013 18:14 by Jigsaw



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 Posted: Mon Oct 14th, 2013 04:36

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Two amazing finds, Jigsaw.  I'm going to wave that first one around like a flag anytime anyone gives me guff about how my bones are going to melt out from under me with this radical MP thing.



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 Posted: Mon Oct 14th, 2013 17:05

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Don't know who this person is, but he sure is anti Vitamin D !!

http://thepeopleschemist.com/stinky-sulfur-award-unapproved-drug-disguised-vitamin/

http://www.newswithviews.com/Ellison/shane158.htm



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I'm afraid he is no better than the Vit D council he is so unhappy with.  He wants you to get lots of sunshine and eat lots of high D foods.  Like this is better because it is natural.  Heck, hemlock is natural too.

Old doctor's tales will be with us for a very long time, there is so much misinformation out there and it so completely believed.

Cynthia



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You know, I give him some credit: he understands the need for inflammation for immune system success.

And if a person were NOT infected with intracellular pathogens, if such a person exists somewhere, it would be good advice.

EDIT: Maybe I'll contact him, and introduce him to the MP, and see what his reaction is.

Last edited on Tue Oct 15th, 2013 03:17 by GillyB



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 Posted: Tue Oct 15th, 2013 03:32

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He mentions Dr. Marshall at the bottom of the article so he already is aware.



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Well, he picks and chooses for support of his form of promotion.  I think in that respect, he is no different than DR. Cannell.  In stead of selling vit D, he is selling his book, Over-The-Counter Natural Cures .  If eating lots of fish and going out in the sun is part of his Natural Cures, he is NOT going to be receptive to the idea that vitamin D is not a vitamin.

Cynthia



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 Posted: Tue Oct 15th, 2013 13:45

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Although he may not necessarily have it all right, he's several steps ahead of the general consensus on Vitamin D, IMO. That in itself has to be recognized as a huge step forward.

Would be interested in knowing what feedback you get, Gilly.



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 Posted: Tue Oct 15th, 2013 20:02

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Got a blood test done....the nurse called frantically a few times and said my 25D was really low...that I needed to start taking several thousand IU's a day immediately!....oh my gosh!
I was going to shut her down with my awesome insight into Vitamin D metabolism....but... she was kind of cute....sooooooooo I thought I might ask her out for lunch instead. I'll keep you posted (on the nurse...not the Vitamin D)

Sean

Last edited on Tue Oct 15th, 2013 20:04 by seanlane



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 Posted: Tue Oct 15th, 2013 23:40

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Good appetite Sean ;)



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 Posted: Wed Oct 16th, 2013 04:02

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Sean, YOU DOG!  Nice play, well played indeed.



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