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L-forms, all you need to know, 1930-1951
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Prof Trevor Marshall
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 Posted: Wed Jan 10th, 2007 10:58

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NothWestBear,
There is no way that the knowledge I have published to describe the innate immune system has been 'forshadowed' by anybody, let alone 200 years ago.

What I have provided is a molecular framework for exactly how the immune system needs to operate in Th1 disease, and how it has been subverted.

It is true that to an untrained observer my discoveries might seem similar to the teachings of homeopathy, but they are not. I do not discount homeopathy, but, for example, the health of Dr Greg Blaney, who has certification in the field of homeopathy, continued to decline until the knowledge embodied in the MP came along. I am sure that homeopathy has made breakthroughs, and I am sure it is important to many people, but it is totally wrong to say "the things I say about the immune system were said by Dr. Hanneman and his homeopathic students 200 years ago"

I am sorry, but I am a scientist, and a scientist deals in facts...

..Trevor..

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 Posted: Wed Jan 10th, 2007 11:12

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Dr. Marshall,

Thank you for your reply.



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 Posted: Thu Jan 25th, 2007 15:02

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NorthwestBear,

I can sympathize with your quest. I called the County Health Office to report a case of Lyme Dz and was read the riot act. "There is no Lyme dz in this county or even in this part of the state." He wasn't even interested in the fact that the 9 year old girl had traveled out of "this part of the state," had Erythema migrans (Target Rash) and was feeling many of the classic symptoms.

A few months later, this clown called back to ask what had become of this girl, (I turfed her to a LLMD) and did I have any additional information. I guess that he had been educated in the interum.

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 Posted: Thu Jun 7th, 2007 11:24

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Dr Marshall,

it's actually Emmy KlienEberger-Nobel you missed out the second E in Klieneberger.

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 Posted: Thu Jun 7th, 2007 12:48

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Oops, Fixed - Thanks.
Sherry had gotten the spelling correct in her post :)
 

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 Posted: Sat Jun 9th, 2007 06:45

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Hi all,

I don't have the fulltext of this, but this paper is rather interesting in that it makes abundantly clear that the petrie dish as golden standard for microbiologists should be banned from the face of this earth.

The article mentioning this paper speaks of 182 species of which 30 species are brand new. Microbiologists have not been able to find a lot these species trying to culture them using petrie dishes.

Now, where do this critters hide and what do they do ? CWD forms ring a bell ?

- http://tinyurl.com/3bt9vv

Maybe I should inform this author of dr Lida Mattman's work...

Since I cannot read the fulltext, maybe Trevor can have a look to see how many of these critters haven been sharing genes horizontally?

Sincerely, Frans



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Why inform them of Lida's work? Why not inform them of our work?
 

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 Posted: Sat Jun 9th, 2007 08:02

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Done so already. He was very interested in he Lancet piece, but stated he could only use peer reviewed papers, so I left it at that at that time.

I have been putting together a letter to him regarding vit. D supplementation.

Our national health council, that makes recommendations to the secretary/minister of health recommends supplementation of vit. D from birth on !! That piece almost intirely bases the need for supplementation on the mistaken fact that rickets is caused by lack of vit D and cured by supplementation.

Since that is bogwash (is that how you guys call it?), I have promised myself to blow that whole piece out of the water by delivering the evidence that rickets is caused by hypophosphatamia etc.

I have been trying every day for the last past years to fing the right angle to get MP in the media over here, but until now, all my efforts have failed.

I think it is because I just cannot seem to find that right angle. My brain just doesn't function enough yet and since I have been working the last year, I have also been lacking the energy to do anything.

Now that I think of it, this paper opens up an avenue I might try. I need him to understand the significance of this paper regarding bacteria that cannot be cultured and their significance regarding all those diseases that are still being called idiopathic. MP + Mattman + Cantwell should perhaps do the trick.

dr Cantwell's work might just be the thing to tie it all together, since he has been declaring and showing that these kinds of bacteria are there on the skin and not culterable all along and easily found using the right staining.

Meanwhile, I have been slowly gathering some strength and trying to bring the message to the people that need to know, the patients, like the Cystic Fibrosis community here in The Netherlands. Some of them seem interested.

Unfortunately, I am mostly just to tired to take the media on.

Strange, now that I am thinking about this all, another approach pops into my head. Sarcoidosis, combined with paper in russia, the FDA designations, the japanese piece about mP in systemic sarc, dr Drent stating to me that MP might indeed work for some of the patients and the lack of research or mentioning from that day of the MP in The Netherlands, which should be odd to the neutral reader.

Pfff, you see, my brain just doesn't work...  concentrating is hard, almost everything is in my brain but it just doesn't make a coherent piece (yet)

But I will get there eventually :D

Sincerely, Frans



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 Posted: Sat Jun 9th, 2007 12:15

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Lack of Peer Review is the excuse of peons. Don't let yourself get sucked into that morass.

First, this guy is an expert, of sorts, himself - he should be competent to peer review my writings by himself, without needing others to help him do it. If there is something he doesn't understand he can pick up the phone and check on it.

Second, I am the source of authority. I served my apprenticeship 20 years ago :)  I write authoritative reviews. I write authoritative commentary. These days I don't write much which needs to be peer-reviewed for accuracy.

When was the last time you contacted a peer-reviewer to ask them about the accuracy of something they had reviewed?

..Trevor..

ps: Having said that, I am publishing a little peer-reviewed stuff from time to time. Even peons have a role to play in the fabric of society:)

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One of our cats has a pretty bad leg infection. It's being blamed on an attack with another cat. In any case, we brought it to the vet and, interestingly, the vet said it's likely an L-form. Wow, blew us away!

Why is it that vets seem to know more about L-forms than clinicians? Don't get it. The cat was put on Doxy...



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