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Chlorogenic Acid in Coffee is powerful Immune modulator
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 Posted: Wed Apr 4th, 2007 21:42

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Sigh.

I'll start cutting back. It will take a while to get to zero.



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 Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 12:15

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is there any way you can check olive oil for any immunosuppresant properties? ive always been suspicious about it.



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Not any that I can think of right now. I will keep it in mind as we move forward.

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 Posted: Fri Apr 13th, 2007 06:45

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oh, please, PLEASE don't find anything wrong with olive oil !!!

There are some things, like Motherhood, Swiss chocolate and olive oil, that are sacrosanct.  We've given up apple pie. That's the epitome of sacrifice.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 10:01

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Since everyone is in an asking mood, what about this new thing the media has been bleating about recently? Forskolin. It seems to be getting combined with antibiotic therapy to clear tough bladder infections. For those of us with considerable bladder involvement, it's something to wonder about. Any genomic data available on this compound yet?



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Knochen,
Forskolin enhances cAMP, which underlies the PKA signalling pathway through which several enzyme systems are enabled, including the CYP27B1 enzyme which converts 25-D to 1,25-D. Increasing CYP27B1 will not help folk with Th1 disease, they already have too much 1,25-D due to a dysfunctional VDR. Benicar makes the VDR competent again.

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There is a difference between healthy mice and sick people:):)

See? It's soooo simple....

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Benicar makes the VDR competent again.

Boy, if it ever gets around at work that I am incompetent all the way down to the cellular level, it's gonna take a long time to live it down.:cool:

Thanks for the rundown on forskolin. That's why we ask the experts! I figured it would come up on the board eventually.



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I see an article in my local paper today stating that cocoa could be good for lowering blood pressure. http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/167/7/626

I wonder how that fits with our usual low blood pressure symptoms? After tea and coffee and chlorogenic acid, cocoa was sounding pretty good to me!!

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 Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 21:12

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Moxie,
I drink a lot of (Quality) Dutch cocoa, and have done all through recovery. I doubt it does any harm, and the warm boost it gives to one's morale is often immeasurable.

Do be careful if you use powdered milk in the cocoa mix. Even in Oz the powdered milk is 'fortified' with Vitamin D. In the US you can get unfortified powdered milk from
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What to drink cocoa with if milk is prohibited ? Raw ? For now i drink it raw :)

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 Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 07:03

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unfortified rice milk



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 Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 07:41

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Rice milk ? Never heard of it. Every food is in America isn't it :)



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A little bit of unfortified powdered milk in cocoa will probably not hurt you...

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The Diploma skim milk powder I bought here in Australia states: No preservatives; no additives; and as ingredient it just says : Sim Milk.

Can I assume that this means it is not fortified?

Also...the rice milk and oat milk for sale in Australia has sunflower oil added so not a good milk replacement.

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Wait a minute - what's wrong with apple pie made (by me) with unfortified flour and organic butter? Not every day of course, but at holidays. Is it the apples?

I know this isn't a really important issue, but it's the one dessert I can make without any sugar.

Thank you, Kathleen



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 Posted: Sun Apr 15th, 2007 11:23

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Everything is OK in moderation, Kathleen. the cooking might reduce the 'acidity' of apples, in any case. Additionally, a lot of the chlorogenic acid is just under the skin (to protect the fruit from intruders, I guess).

Good Heavens! We have to leave 'Motherhood and Apple Pie' intact :):)

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I see there is a lot of alternatives for cacao
;)
I never liked eating apples with the skin, always removed it.
Does Chlorogenic acid is an ingredient responsible for coffee acidic taste which some people don't like very much ?



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No idea, sorry, Wrotek.

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To Trevor re your posting of Jan 28 '07 at 16:48 about your use of Splenda (Sucralose) sweetener.

[In my daily cocoa cup, I use stevia with inulin or with maltodextrin]

I always felt uneasy about the chlorine atom substituting for a carbon atom in the Splenda molecule. What I saw at mercola.com gives me even more concern

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Dr Joe Mercola is a well-meaning and thoughtful physician. He gave us valuable help back in 2002, publishing the "Remission from Sarcoidosis" article on his website when nobody else would listen. Unfortunately he has failed to keep pace with the advances in scientific knowledge over the last five years. He is just plain wrong about the biological effects of Splenda. I am sorry that his writings on that topic have caused you un-necessary concern.


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