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 Posted: Fri Sep 14th, 2007 14:42

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Amy, you are doing great work !

You might be interested in the following paper, the full text is online:

- http://tinyurl.com/3xnosg

- http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/8/2927

I would start with reading the discussion, you will understand what I am trying to say. It seems to provide a missing link.

A question that arises when one reads this paper is how can normally culterable bacteria be unable to be cultured, even when proven to be on the site? L-forms?

Another question might be how much the (as yet) golden standard of culturing (in the pretri dish?) is missing because it just doesn't work properly? In other words: How many bacteria are actually in our tissues (and in this case: on our skin), once we start using PCR-analysis instead of the clearly outdated culturing?

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 Posted: Fri Sep 14th, 2007 14:46

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Thanks Ames, I've really enjoyed the interviews you've done on your site...

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 Posted: Sat Sep 15th, 2007 08:08

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I was thinking and came to the following. These guys couldn't culture several bacteria that are normally cultivable, but found them with the PCR.

Now, wouldn't it be nice to let those samples be examined by Alan Cantwell, or one of the others mentioned on Amy's site, with electron microscopy or acid fast staining to see if they can find these elusive bacteria?

Of course this would have to be done blind. They get samples without knowing what is supposed to be there, do their thing, hand over their findings that are then cross referenced with the PCR results to see if their methods close the gap between 'normal culturing' and PCR naalysis?

Could that be done? Trevor, could the university you are an honorary professor of play a role in such an endeavour? As I understand it, the Gates foundation has funded a PCR lab?

This could finally and definitely build a bridge between L-form bacteria, the specialists that know they exist and the rest of the medical world... It would be great to finally see these pioneers validated

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 Posted: Sat Sep 15th, 2007 08:17

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Frans,
Such a demonstration would achieve nothing. I was chatting with Alan last night. He is aware that the L-form pleomorphs he saw in dead tissue are not the same as pleomorphs in a live human with a functioning immune system. This is the big problem.

I have a plan, and am executing on it, and we should have some definitive results within a year. But I would rather not 'show my hand' publicly just yet, Frans :):)
 

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Hehe, I should have known that you are 'at least' one step ahead of us all :D

On the other hand, in my mind this paper still makes a compelling case that bacteria áre pleomorphic and not monomorphic. If not in form, then at least in behaviour, since they can sometimes be cultured and sometimes they cannot. That shows that they behave differently at different times, under different circumstances and most probably also in dead and live tissue.

So, now I have to think hard about how you are trying to tackle things  :D

About not showing your hand publicly, you still have my email address, right?  :D:D  Just kidding, I'll wait and think hard about how one should go about this with live tissue

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Oh wow, I just noticed that this paper has been edited by Jeffrey Gordon. Yes the same...

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 Posted: Sat Sep 15th, 2007 16:34

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Well done Amy & Paul!
The interview covered so much ground and yet was so clear to understand.
And the photo gallery is GREAT!
Thank you both!



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Thanks, Joyful. We're grateful Dr. Cantwell let us reproduce his images. I think it's a real tribute to this man's work to see, together, just a few of the scores of great images of bacteria he has captured through his miscroscope over the years.

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 Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 21:33

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Congratulations, Amy and Paul, on your exceptional work!  I just became aware of your site this evening and am very impressed!  Thank you both so much for your time and effort toward such an excellent project! . . . Carole  :D



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 Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2007 21:52

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Thanks, Carole.

Frans, thank for the article. I printed it out and will read it soon. It surely goes to show that conventional lab tests are missing a large part of the picture.

My article about vitamin D is now up on Bacteriality:
http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/

Yes, it’s long. But this is a big issue and there is much to discuss. In order to make the article more accessible I broke it up into fourteen different sections. The sections are listed after the introduction. You can click on the title of any section and you will be linked directly to the relevant area of the text.

This piece would not have been possible without the help of Joyce Waterhouse and Paul, who spent extended periods of time alerting me to research and editing my work. A word of thanks to my dear mother (Barbara on this site) for editing the piece as well.

A lot of my understanding of these issues comes directly from Dr. Marshall. Hopefully, this paper will hopefully whet your appetite for Trevor’s paper.

Hope you enjoy reading it. As always feedback is appreciated.

Amy

p.s. I hope this article will silence that annoying family member who insists vitamin D is good for you. By that, I mean you can print the article out, and drop it on their head, thereby rendering them unconscious. (The article is long. Get it?)



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That is a must-read, comprehensive compilation of vitamin D information. Thanks Amy, Joyce and Paul. :)

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Amy,
You know, I think your article really should have the eyes of many authors that I've written over a 2 year time. You definitely got the scoop, but I'm requesting that they take a look with something to the effect:

"This is a story that is bound to shake the foundations of the medical industry as it reveals the truth of the molecular mechanism that enables the human immune system...You may want to find your place in history and make some strategic plans as you review the evidence presented here."

And then of course, I am giving them a link to your site, specific to the D article. They should be looking around at the rest of the story too if they have done any research on the Web (wink).

Some of these press people have already seen an annotated bibliography and links into this site, but rejected the building blocks or other lead at that time. I'm refering to the specific time frame of my first dialogs individually with each note so they know my level of persistence.

Maybe they will look at some of the support evidence in PubMed. Somewhere, sometime soon, someone must eventually hit their forehead as they say "I could have had a... Pulitzer!" 

Keep up the good work Amy et al. Hmmm. Pulitzer. There's a thought a young medical writer might ponder.

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Wonderfully done Amy! Thank you for putting succinct information in one place that's easy to direct people to. Now if there was only a way to inject this information into heads that are too stubborn to go to the site (or accept printouts) and read... :)

Your great effort and dedication is much appreciated. Thank you!

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Wow, Amy!

  Just finished reading the vit D article on bacteriality.  So very impressed.  Yes, it's long, but every one of the points needed to be addressed.  I appreciate so much the eloquence you have and the style of writing that makes it easy for even me to understand!  I really feel that you are on the cusp of a very important body of work that, with persistence of getting this material into the hands of the reluctant majority, the hands of change just may begin to move. 

Thank you so much for your dedicated efforts here.  And to you, Paul and Joyce as well!!  Very well done!

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Thanks everyone for your nice comments!

Frans, I did write a piece that brings up the study you mentioned talks about reserachers using molecular methods to look at bacteria in the skin. Check it out:

http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/27/bacteriazoo/

Also, there is a new interview up on the site, with MP patient Sue Andorn who has a great success story.

http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/22/interview3/

A few days ago I contacted David Bradley, who writes for the science blog "ScienceBase". He took quite a bit of interest in the MP and ended up writing a piece about the treatment on his site. I tried to work with him to make sure he understood the science correctly and I think he did a pretty good job. Here's the link to his blog:

http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/quick-fix-for-chronic-disease.html

I particularly like this quote:

"Humans have always been seeking a panacea for our ills, an explanation for their cause. If there is a direct link between L-form bacteria and vitamin D and its metabolites, and the activity of our immune system, then could we be on the verge of finding what we seek?"

Best,

Amy

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Congrats to you, Amy! You are doing lots of good.

By the way, here is the first part of David Bradley's piece:
http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/quick-fix-for-chronic-disease.html

(There is a back button on the linked page Amy provided you but some of you might not notice it.)

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Excellent work, Amy (and Paul).
Let's see if the new server will hold up under the strain of all the new visitors:):)
 

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This is a milestone article written by a respected science writer, who is finally asking the right questions.

One reader's response to the article states, "It is fascinating. Dr. Marshall, right or wrong, is no crank."

Thanks, Amy! :D

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Ames wrote: Frans, I did write a piece that brings up the study you mentioned talks about reserachers using molecular methods to look at bacteria in the skin. Check it out:

http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/27/bacteriazoo/


Ames, that looks really good. I remember when reading a dutch abstract about the paper, that all alarmbells started ringing in my head.

I also read the piece by David Bradley, great work again ! Let's see what this will bring. He is keeping an open mind, which means a lot !

Keep up the good work guys !

Sincerely, Frans



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Dear Staff,

It has been awhile since I have been on line.  I have recently been asked about doctors in Pa. who do the Marshall Protocol.  I had asked this months ago and printed off a list but I wonder if there has been an update.

Thank you.

Meredith Hill


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