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Here is a short excerpt from the NBC Nightly News on Jan 7, 2008
 


Note that once again, a study showing a correlation between low values of 25-D and disease, which is no surprise, is turned by the Vitamin D lobby into a push advocating that lower blood levels equates to "lack" of exogenous intake, rather than a hormonal down-regulation due to the disease state. Which even a cursory search of  PubMed shows is laughable.

Prof. Holick has said that he takes 11,000 IU of Vitamin D a day. It is hard to make folk like this understand that not everybody's body behaves the same way, when it is challenged by the steroid we have called 'Vitamin D'...
 

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We were recently granted a non-profit YouTube channel (they upgraded the one that had my AAEM videos) at URL
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=trevmar1

It would be great if we could find somebody who could take this NBC segment, and splice in comment and interview rebuttal. That way we could concisely let folk know how they are being duped by a handful of Vit D zealots...

Actually, if somebody could do the interviews, I can do all the splicing and editing and converting to web format. My paper explaining how Vitamin D is probably behind the epidemics of chronic disease and obesity is due out in just a week or three...

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I used to be obese till I suddenly lost forty pounds from stomach problems.
My sister is obese and has all the obvious symptoms of a compromised
immune system. My brother was just dx with diabetes and my mom has developed cardiac disease. my other brother is obese with cfs and stomach problems.I hate watching them suffer in ignorance. They will not listen to their crazy brother.
My IQ is 131 near geinus so I can easily see the benefit of AVOIDING VITAMIN D.
The doctors have made so much money from our illnesses. The tide is turning every time the study site adds a new member.

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Dr. Marshall,

What technology does it take to do the interviews?  I believe we can round up volunteers to be interviewed, but what expertise does one need?

With thanks,

Sherry

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Sherry,
I was looking for somebody who could create a story-board with the original NBC  segment, planning the items for rebuttal, and then oversee the interviews (with myself, for example) so as to produce a completed and coherent short-film.
 

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I would be glad to help. I have some experience with these kinds of projects, but would certainly benefit by having a seasoned MPer to noodle over the crucial points...then to conjure up the right storyboard.

Let's make it happen!    :)

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We now have a non-profit YouTube channel to get out short (less than 10 minute) segments which explain what we have been doing.

What I have in mind, is for somebody, a group of us perhaps, to figure out what has to be said to point out the errors in the NBC piece. I can immediately think of

1. the study found an association between low vitamin D and disease, it did not show that lack of vitamin D caused the disease. In fact, we (and other researchers) have shown that disease down-regulates the body's production of Vitamin D (25-D).

2. There are no studies which show that the effects of sunlight on the body and ingestion of Vitamin D supplements are physiologically equivalent


We need a journalist (narrator) to provide continuity, planned out in a 'story-board', and then I can record a little snippet, just like are used for the experts in the NBC news item.

If the journalist/continuity-narrator sends me a tape of his commentary, I can edit together the final video with my comment, and whatever pieces we use from the NBC video, to create a final clip, and convert it for YouTube broadcast, just as I have done in the first post (above).

So let's get the collaboration going...
We will have a lot of 10 minute videos to make in order to get the whole of our message out... :)
 

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To all who read this and are secretly keen to do the narration, my IT guy says you need to plug a microphone into your computer and make a wve (sp?) or mpeg (sp?) file.  That's it.  He has seen microphones advertised for around $4.

I am sure there's more to it than this, but it is not too difficult.

Sherry

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I would prefer a video, with a microphone. The NBC journalist is standing in a landscape at the end of the NBC piece, and the location for the narration is also important. A good fallback is to be seated at a desk in front of an impressive looking library of hard-cover books - oh - wait - that's how I want to do my snippet :):):)

The Foundation can send you a handlheld microphone to plug into your DV camcorder, we have some we bought for the conferences...
 
 

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Although I am not certain, I think you will run into copyright problems using the NBC clip.  I think NBC would be more likely to go after the Foundation rather than the average Joe who nicks a clip.  Claire

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Claire,
Nobody is talking about 'nicking' anything. I am talking about 'fair use' under the copyright law. You can read about fair use here.

The public benefit is indisputable :) We have a resource here. Something to help us explain what is wrong with media coverage of the Vitamin D issues. We need a story-board describing how we can use that resource to help us get that explanation across to the general public :)
 
 

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Read your Fair Use link and as I suspected, it's a grey area.  Just wanted to point it out.  I do think the point needs to be made and hope you get a story board.  Claire

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HI ALL

This is  Fred in WV.  I saw this same article on the Today Show and I did get to tell another person sitting in the doc's office why that was wrong and it will be killing more people if they continued to got that route.

Also, there is an article out today and we will most likely see it in the news in the next few days about how vit-D prevents strokes.  I said to myself 'HERE WE GO AGAIN, WHEN WILL THEY EVER LEARN THE TRUTH."  This article showed in my WHAT'S NEW page.

Remember, we are all in this together and I am pulling for us.

Your friend in sarcoidosis

Freddei 

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Dr Trevor Marshall wrote:

1. the study found an association between low vitamin D and disease, it did not show that lack of vitamin D caused the disease. In fact, we (and other researchers) have shown that disease down-regulates the body's production of Vitamin D (25-D).


 

Do you have a link to a paper showing that the disease down-regulates the body's production of Vitamin (25)?

Inge

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Inge,
One that immediately springs to mind is

Davies PD, Brown RC, Woodhead JS: Serum concentrations of vitamin D metabolites in untreated tuberculosis. Thorax. 1985 Mar;40(3):187-90.
http://tinyurl.com/37mj97

That paper was published in 1985, incidentally. This phenomena is not exactly new, just ignored...

My upcoming paper also cites a number of studies from the 1980s which examined regulation of 25-D and 1,25-D in the female endometrium.

We were all obviously all doing a lot of good work back then :)
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/transcripts/Keogh_Ovulation_Induction.pdf
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/transcripts/Keogh_Pulsatile_GnRH.pdf
 

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Thank you, Dr. Marshall, for continuing your plight for mankind!  I am sickened by the media's thrust to report the one-sided story of Vitamin D.  With the ARF's expertise of organizing the facts, those of us with renewed health are eager to promote the "other side of the story."

Thank you for sharing your timely contributions on the study site and know that the members and families are forever indebted to your perseverance and ingenuity. 

In heartfelt appreciation . . . Carole  :D

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OK, here’s my perfunctory assessment of the key points in the news clip that merit an incisive response! Let me know if I left out anything:
  • Evidence has accumulated the Vitamin D is critical for almost every cell in the body
  • Evidence from the Framingham Heart study shows that the 28% of people who had the lowest levels of Vitamin D in their bodies had a 60% higher risk of developing a heart attack or stroke over a five-year period.
  • People with a vitamin D deficiency could face up to twice the stroke or heart attack risk as those with higher levels, beyond the effect of other major risk factors
  • Vitamin D can reduce the risk of breast cancer, colon cancer, and many other common serious diseases
  • Vitamin D plays a key role in the body by strengthening bones
  • But few people consume enough D: The Framingham study found that only 10% of the adults they studied had the recommend amount of Vitamin D in their bodies]
  • The other study from Norway and the Brookhaven National Laboratories in the United States concluded that on the whole moderate sun exposure is good and should be encouraged
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Related article:

Vitamin D Deficiency and Risk of Cardiovascular Disease - Source: Circulation, Jan 2008

http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/8632




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I was thinking of borrowing the company's DV Camcorder and recording a few blurbs of me in my technical library.  I plan to make statements that verify Vit D is a hormone or "seco steroid"; that my own bone density exam showed far LESS BONE LOSS since being on the MP, and that Vitamin D supplements are the inert precursor to D125, the active metabolite.  And maybe that there is an abundant amount of openly published authoritative literature on CWD pathogens.


Any thoughts from the Producer or Director? 

Maybe we'll win an Oscar.

 Sherry

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Well the nightly news was at it again. VIT D the miracle Vitamin and how we all need to spend more time in the sun. They also reported that adequate VIT D prevents MANY disease including cancer and bone health.

They actually said that sunblock shouldnt be used all the time because the Vit D wont be able to break through the sunblock.

They gave recomendations for supplementing VITD DAILY

100 units and over if you are under 50
200 units if you are 50 and over
and in some cases they recommend 800-1000 units a day :0

I just dont get it? This is how MANY are mislead
wowzers!!

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Did you catch the language these "experts" use?

Dr Thomas Wang says having low levels of Vitamin D "is associated with" various illnesses.  (So we jump to the conclusion that is is causative.)

Dr Michel Holick, apparently without awareness of the irony of his statement, exclaims, "It's quite incredible, when you think about it, but... " Then he fails to actually think about it, and question the credibility of the poor science and wrong assumptions he is repeating.

Dr Marshall, have you contacted NBC news for a "right of reply" on this item?

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lab coat or scrubs?
 dont forget that headband mirror thingy.

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Whatever happened to this idea?

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Madwolf,
I got tired of talking with idiots like these. See the thread at URL
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/11975.html

They are apparently stuck in a time warp. We will have to wait for them to fade away, I suspect. Meantime we should focus on outflanking them. See:
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/12139.html
 

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'Let the little children come unto me'.

Somehow I get the feeling a line in the sand just got crossed somewhere.

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=85538&c=TSqlTaJaZt5O021RRbJYVg%3D%3D

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No, I was wrong, it really can go from the sublime to the ridiculous:

But they found sex, season, time spent outdoors, sunscreen use, sun sensitivity, or skin pigmentation did not vary the prevalence of deficiency. Only breast-feeding without supplementation was strongly associated with vitamin D deficiency where there was more than a "10-fold increase in risk relative to infants who were exclusively bottle-fed."

Nonetheless, these findings endorse recommendations for health care providers and parents to ensure that breastfed infants receive daily vitamin D supplementation for the duration of breastfeeding."

http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=85661&c=TSqlTaJaZt6Fk25MZGXs0g%3D%3D

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It seems as though this continuing mistake may well be seen (eventually) as marking the end of the era of purely evidence-based-medicine, and the beginning of the transition to "a science of safety"
"New scientific discoveries are generating what might be termed an emerging "science of safety."  This new science combines an understanding of disease and its origins at the molecular level with new methods of detecting molecular "signals" of both effectiveness and of adverse effects."
        FDA Commissioner von Eschenbach
        March 23, 2007, testimony to Congress...
We have some interesting times ahead of us, I think :)

..Trevor..

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Dr Marshall your foundation should contact the Daily Show with Jon Stewart or the Colbert Report with Stephen Colbert. An interview on either of these shows would give you a wide audience to speak to and it would make people aware of the ignorance in the medical community in light of your discoveries on this subject. Both of these shows love to point out how uninformed the "Experts" are in our society.

Thank you for your diligent work on Th1 illness :D

Best regards
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The problem is that TV shows try to avoid publicizing what they characterize as "quackery." I think we could do it, as long as we keep the focus on the molecular biology, and the huge gulf which is opening between clinicians educated without a thorough understanding of the genome, and the molecular biologists who are now driving medical discovery.

Maybe our presentation at "Understanding Aging" will change things..
http://marshallprotocol.com/forum39/12139.html

This presentation underlines how the new science totally transcends the clinical concepts of the past. We are not talking about discovering a cure for a single disease, we are looking at a metagenomic microbiota which affects every stage of human existence, from conception until death.
 

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In light of all the research coming out on biofilms, as well as on "Vitamin D", I am very optimistic that change in how the medical community treats inflammatory diseases is coming soon. I really believe your talk will be well received at the upcoming "Understanding Aging" conference.

Another suggestion for getting the word out the public is talk radio. I can think of 2 talk show hosts who have very open views on giving airtime to "unconventional" ideas. One radio host is Thom Hartmann, he's heard nationally on Air America Radio, but he owns his own talk show so he can choose his own topics to talk about. If you google him you will find he has an interest in health issues, specifically ADHD. The other person is a local radio host, Charles Goyette, here in Phoenix, AZ. His show covers mainly politics, but he also does interviews on a very wide range of other topics. He loves to point out that "conventional wisdom" doesn't always stand up to the facts. A google search for Charles will give you radio station contact info as well.

I have a lot of respect for both of these radio talk show hosts. They both are willing to speak the truth to power; they are both very progressive.

Best regards,
Sunset

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It's going to be a long tough road to get acceptance for Trevor's work on hormone D;the authors that are quoted at the top of the thread are absolutely right that there isn't much to be made monetarily from D,there is unfortunately a whole hell of a lot to be lost.It will be extremely hard to get such a controversial topic onto a good quality national program,IMO.

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Referrals are the best form of advertisement.  As the MP reaches “critical mass” the masses will demand to be treated and the bureaucrats won’t have anything to say about it.  There are 90 million chronically ill people in the USA that medicine is unable to cure.  That is a huge inertia that will overcome even the Vitamin D dinosaur.

Remember in the movie Gandhi when they were marching to the sea for salt.  It was early in the morning and Gandhi was giving an interview to a reporter when he looked out the window and saw the people starting to leave with out him.  He said “There go my people, I must go as I am their leader”. :)

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I've been thinking about the radio talk show thing myself...so I just took the liberty of e-mailing Glen Beck and daring him to have Dr. Marshall on. He's a very outside-the-box, swim-upstream, anti-establishment sort who has a daily radio show AND TV show (CNN).

Last week he interviewed amazing scientist/inventor Ray Kurzweil, who predicts that in 20 years we'll be living forever because tiny cell-sized "robots" will be dispatched in our bodies to fix what ails us.  I say, not by the hair of the chinny-chin-chins of the AMA, FDA, FTC, media and medical mafia.  How could they live the Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous without us as their pathetic pawns?   Do you really think they'll sit idly by while we escape their clutches by becoming well?

(I don't sound bitter, do I?)  Anyway, try to stay near the phone, Dr. M!

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I am a doctor who believes in this protocol. I have however found that most of my clearly th1 patients are not at all interested in a potentialy curative treatment because of the rigors that are necessary in this protocol. Clearly both provider and patient have to be on the same page for this to work.  I also as a doctor believe that this protocol is becoming slowly more acceptable with every new patient that enrolls.

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I think that folk need to understand they are all carrying this intraphagocytic metagenomic microbiota, and it is almost certainly going to be the thing which cuts their life short, with cardio-vascular disease, Parkinsons, MS, kidney failure, Dementia, or the host of other Th1 conditions (the 'Diseases of the Aging').

Once they begin to understand the human condition, they will decide to either live life to the full, as most kids do, or plan for longevity. The MP was initiated to cure chronic disease, but it will achieve its most spectacular success in advancing the overall health of the population. It will take another few generations, maybe another 40 years, but the discoveries stemming from the cracking of the genome will change the way people think about illness. Our science will (hopefully) become a cornerstone of that scientific progress.

We now have enough data to start discussions with the gerontologists, so Meg,  Belinda, Liz, Amy, Paul, and I will all be at the UCLA "Understanding Aging" conference on the 27th of this month, presenting, mixing, discussing, and figuring out where our science will fit into the overall history of mankind.

It's pretty exciting, actually...
 

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I believe that the future of the MP will lie in not waiting until the bacteria load reaches a point requiring 4-5 years of significant suffering for the cure to be effected.  My wife, Carol with RA, still has periods of level 8 pain for weeks, and she started the MP in August of 2004.  She has been on permanent disability during this period.  (She may be a tough case for the MP since she was on high D supplements for 2 years prior to the MP.)  Depression is also a constant issue, even now.

She is very tough and dedicated to the MP.  I estimate that she is in the 5% of people who could survive to this point in her treatment.  The vast majority of people with advanced chronic diseases will simply not be able to survive the cure, IMHO.:?  (Or perhaps her advanced RA is at the top end of the scale for length and severity for cure.)

Net of all this is that early intervention is key:).

Phil 

 

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Phil.

I have to agree with you... maybe its because our common employer's thought processes stick with you.   It just doesn't make sense to wait until the problems are severe, have spread, and are obviously impacting performance before you do something.  To keep a business running you need to detect and fix those kinds problems early, or better yet, prevent them from occuring.  

To me it makes sense that a period on the MP will be standard for every child at set intervals the way vaccinations are now.   Once we get uninfected parents giving birth to uninfected children, who are then "cleaned up" every 5 years we will see the true power of this.   With Trevor's technology, it will probably be 4-5 generations before we see a significant number of children born who are not significantly infected. 

Of course I can't get my own four adult children to try it, even though they show a variety of symptoms.    They just don't want to believe they are sick, or don't want to lose a minute of living in the present.   I think they understand on an intellectual level what I have done, and even that they are infected, and they see the results in me, but to them it's #200 on their to do list.

So the whole mindset of everyone needs to change to the point they believe it is sensible and even urgent to endure some current pain to cure a disease that isn't bothering them.   In the past, that took mandatory vaccination laws, and vaccination was an easily tracked event that could be easily supervised by a doctor.      

This isn't going to happen quickly.

 

Gary

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Gary,
Healthy folk feel no significant pain as they kill their pathogens. But I am sure that there will be some 'pain' as mankind again adjusts to the concept that lots of sunlight may not necessarily be good for your health.

The conference on Aging at UCLA is the way we have chosen to start talking about prevention. We hope this group will be relatively open-minded to the science. Only time will tell.

By the time your kids are 40 they will start thinking about life-extension, and the IP will most probably hurt them a bit at that point. Sigh....
 

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Trevor,

True, my children may look into it earlier than I did, but their children will all be born infected by then (one already is, and is infected - luckily not too bad).

Even if 10% of the population were disease free by the time they have children, you might only get 1% of the children born without being infected by a parent. 

It might take 70% disease free parents to produce 50% disease free babies. 

Add to that the fact you can't tell a teenager anything, especially if it involves a prerequisite to sexual activity, and it may be a long process to get to a society substantially disease free for their entire lives.

That's why I believe the MP has to be implemented as a regimen in a similar way that vaccinations are now, if the full potential of the protocol is achieved.  Having the high compliance rates which vaccinations have, requires that it is accepted by all as "the way things are" for children.

What kind of achievements are possible for someone who was never significantly infected for their entire life?  What is possible for a society of these people?

Nice to muse about the distant future, but there are more pressing issues in the right now....  

Blessings to all

Gary

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I have been "challenged" by my wife, Carol with RA, to get on the MP.  My D metabolites have tested at roughly 52/22 over the past few years.  As Trevor commented to me, there is something going on.  I believe that, and would like to get on the MP to nip whatever it is in the bud.  I would also love to be one of the first to use the MP prophylactically, and reap the benefits of graceful aging. 

So, my dilemma is finding a doctor who will prescribe the MP meds to a person showing no obvious symptoms of Th1 disease.  I did a 1 week "mini" therapeutic probe 2 years ago (pulsed mino) and saw nothing.  Carol doesn't want me to approach her doctor for various reasons.  Any suggestions?

Phil

 

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Trevor says here...

'Healthy folk feel no significant pain as they kill their pathogens'

Now .....after 2 years on the MP with remarkable results, I think about what this means in relationship to health.

A while back I wrote about contracting a pathogen that would normally cause  respiratory inflammation like the flu.....but never feeling it or even knowing you were fighting it.

This has been my experience on the MP as well as a number of my friends on the protocol as well.....we all stopped getting lung infections after we started the MP....and we all used to get sick frequently with respiratory illness.

So I am assuming that the pathogens that used to easily get in and stay now cannot survive due to a VDR that is 'burning brighter' so to speak.



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