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 Posted: Tue Jan 3rd, 2017 19:53

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"Baby dies in France after being given vitamin D supplement"

http://en.rfi.fr/france/20170103-baby-dies-france-after-being-given-vitamin-d-supplement

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"The baby died of a cardiac arrest on 21 December, France's official medicines watchdog ANSM announced on Monday, confirming a report in Le Figaro newsaper."

"The independent review Prescrire has on several occasions warned that the method of administration of Uvésterol D, by pipette, is dangerous."

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France moves to suspend Vitamin D supplement after baby dies.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-moves-suspend-vitamin-d-supplement-baby-dies-081734018.html



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Hoffer wrote: France moves to suspend Vitamin D supplement after baby dies.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-moves-suspend-vitamin-d-supplement-baby-dies-081734018.html
    Rob10 hours ago

    So, the liquid Vit D went down the airway and the baby drowned or suffocated? I don't see how Vit D can cause death other than that.

    Melvin5 hours ago

    An unbelievably, world-class, stupid bureaucratic response.

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Sorry. Didn't read it that closely. I'll blame it on brain-fog:?



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I've had a browse through the Public Health England updated and distributed report on what is currently thought to be correct on clinical understandings of Vitamin D, (preset guidelines from 1991) by their scientific advisory committee, (SACN July 21st 2016).

http://www.gov.uk/.../sacn-vitamin-d-and-health-report

I am looking for flaws in the data which might help to revisit guidelines for almost everyone being informed of likely deficiency. Comments were invited from all interested parties prior to the review. What stands out for me is the reliance on old 'evidence' bases and the statement that in relation to exisitng chronic disease, no safety data can be recommended, as it is flawed in design, or inconsistent in multiple instances, for this patient group. Which is the same as saying that when in doubt, still go ahead and recommend the patient takes a daily supplement or injection.

No study of both 25D and 1,25D seems to have been suggested in any instance, other than focus on skin synthesis and sun screen being one of the causes to of presumed markers of deficiency.

I don't even recall Sarcoidosis being mentioned or data for this group having been included. But the report is lengthy.
Metabolic issues are surely a common sense vigilance for the mainstream medics ?

Page 107 summarises :

Acute and chronic exposure to excess vitamin D intake can result in hypercalcaemia, demineralisation of bone, soft tissue calcification and renal damage. Hypercalcaemia is the most appropriate endpoint on which to base ULs for vitamin D since adverse effects that might occur at lower doses, through other mechanisms, have not been reliably established.


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i've only just started in to read this report and am fascinated by the assumption portrayed below,
that pregnant woman's bodies could evolve with no certainty of how much vitamin D is healthy :?
5.14 A cohort study in Denmark (við Streym et al., 2016) Findings from this study suggest that daily supply of vitamin D from breast milk of healthy women, with plasma 25(OH)D concentrations >50nmol/L, is low and inadequate to meet infant dietary vitamin D requirements.

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You are correct   - they are not using logic or reason.

The scientists have forgotten that it was the philosophers that invented this "process" called science.

And so they are not rooted in these disciplines of logic and reason anymore.

So most of the science now is propaganda.



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What if ARF were to produce, in a friendly patient information leaflet format something that directly deals with 'What your 25,D and 1,25D blood test may tell you and your doctor about your health'.

If these two tests are already familiar to rheumatologists and small number of endocrinologists and vitamin D transcription experts, might this be such a bad idea aimed at patients with Chronic diseases or suspected?  It's about time the presumption that low 25ohD must also mean low 1,25 dihydroxy.  If I were a doctor I would be curious to want to understand how to interpret their significance.

Recently, a leading hospital pulmonologist mentioned that ACE level bloods, usually used to check inflammation, were 'no longer considered reliable'.

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If I were a doctor I would be curious to want to understand how to interpret their significance
Oh how I wish that were true. The opposite is often the reality.

There are two problems with your suggestion. First, I am spending all my time on producing equipment to monitor the current 5G deployment. There is nothing, NOTHING, you can buy today that will tell you if millimetre wave cells are being deployed nearby. That is the #1 priority in my mind because it seems nobody else has the technology background to do this. Second, the handling of 1,25-D samples by labs is really, really bad. Nothing seems to get frozen any more. This clouds the usefulness of any 1,25-D testing.

The first problem could be dealt with if we had some volunteers producing these documents instead of leaving it all to "The Foundation", but the second reflects the overall disinterest of medicine in this issue. Most physicians are going crazy trying to help the patients they can already diagnose, without worrying about diagnosing new patients (who would then have to be treated).

The easy answer - widespread adoption of some form of Olmesartan therapy - is beyond the comprehension of institutionalized Medicine. It is just crazy to think that a blood pressure drug could treat chronic disease. Or so I am told.

..Trevor..

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Actually, the issue is that medicine has ignored the Microbiome except the GI tract Microbiome. Reason? What if the herd of elephants was the issue behind chronic disease, what then???

No, stick to palliatives and immune suppressing pharma products and you are safe from anyone with deep pocket money... therefore safe from the medical Institutional syndicate.. And patients, well, tell them that the body needs the Microbiome, right out of the book Candide.



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I forgot to mention (in my post, above) that the last sentence in my recent Electrosmog paper abstract said "effective control of environmental Electrosmog immunomodulation may soon become necessary for successful therapy of autoimmune disease."

Medicine's continued ignorance of that factor is causing headaches in clinics, and a surge in unhappy patients who have no idea why their illness has gotten so much worse recently...

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Expect a drop in life expectancy, greater than that already seen.



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I understand your priorities Dr Marshall and the importance of staying totally focused on your current task(s).

I think my enthusiasm for some kind of leaflet about the two key bloods is my observation over the last ten years that many consultants are nervous about treating chronic disease, especially in younger patients. Nervous about prescribing steroids because more of their patients are coming to clinic with competent knowledge, quality of life implications, infection risks, and few doctors remain ignorant to the fact that there is a huge conflict surrounding Vitamin D in mainstream.

Patients also expect reliable information about their metabolism, aging - fears around obesity, hypercalcemia and how to see trouble coming and head it off.  The 1,25-D test deserves to become routine.

It's disappointing to see that we have a deficit in volunteers to help the ARF with their documents.  I may well have a dabble myself if only to try to re establish the correct handling of bloods requiring freezing for accuracy.



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on the other hand I do not see any point in the 25D test  being routine

what it indicates is illness, one already has a strong suspicion of illness, or would not be seeking help from a doctor :?



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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38988982

Not the sharpest tools in the box! ;)



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The Effect of High Dose Cholecalciferol on Arterial Stiffness and Peripheral and Central Blood Pressure in Healthy Humans: A Randomized Controlled ... - PubMed - NCBI

Oral cholecalciferol 3000 IU/day does not affect arterial stiffness or blood pressure after 16 weeks of treatment in healthy normotensive adults.


Effectiveness of Vitamin D Supplementation for Cardiovascular Health Outcomes. - PubMed - NCBI

In conclusion, results from published RCTs indicate that vitamin D supplementation is ineffective in improving cardiovascular health among various patient populations, including in the presence or absence of vitamin D deficiency.

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Article on the new FDA director. Interesting.

http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2017/03/13/a-doctor-to-heal-the-fda-scott-gottlieb-may-be-trumps-most-important-nominee/



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