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 Posted: Wed May 4th, 2011 14:57

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Does anyone know how instant coffe fares with chlorogenic acid????  I drink mostly instant in milk, very weak, (like a little flavor in the milk!).



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 Posted: Wed May 4th, 2011 16:42

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Dr Trevor Marshall wrote: There are now many publications on Vit B actions. You might like to start here:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/731177

and this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8143940

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I have found that folic acid and B12 both seem to "feed" the bacteria, or increase symptoms that I associate with the bacteria being more active. 

I wonder if the symptoms linked to "B12 deficiency" are actually IP or like "Vitamin D deficiency" a marker of disease rather than a cause?

And like Vitamin D, perhaps the RDA and other recommendations for B12 are overstated? (such as the need for vegetarians to take supplements)

Due to food sensitivities and sensitivity to even small amounts of Vitamin D, the only animal food I eat is skinless chicken breasts and some occasional cheese, which puts me well below the RDA for B12.  But when I tried oral B12 supplements for a couple days a while back I reacted negatively.  



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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2011 00:07

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I was taking daily B-12 injections based on a doctor's advice to treat neurological problems.  I foolishly continued these injections for at least a year after starting the MP ... although I did cut them down to every other day.  I now have not taken these injections for a couple of months and I think I am not feeling any worse!  I wonder how much I set back my MP progress by stubbornly taking these injections for so long???



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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2011 07:05

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Me too, Chris. In my case, I am not convinced it did any lasting damage.

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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2011 10:14

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I was giving myself B12 injections, every 3 days, Pre-MP. It really helped my energy levels. A cup of really strong coffee and a B-12 shot, 10 minutes later I could do whatever I wanted. Anything that made me feel that good could not have been good for me. I am starting to naturally get the energy back now, slowly.

I am almost afraid to ask, does anyone know if Roasted Grain Beverage Non-Coffee, Coffee drinks have Chlorogenic Acid, and if they are immune suppressive? My favorite is Roma. It is an instant, non caffeinated drink that tastes just like coffee. It made from Roasted Barley, Malt Barley, Chicory and Rye.



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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2011 10:59

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My first experience with finger ulcers was after consuming way too much brewers yeast.  There after, I got finger ulcers from taking any cheap B complex vitamin that was derived from brewers yeast.  Later, these ulcers, after a month of pushing a heavy vibrating sander 12-14 hours a day, came on with any chilling of body or hands, and it appears to be related now to a Raynauds type reaction.

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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2011 11:39

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CousinTC wrote: I am almost afraid to ask, does anyone know if Roasted Grain Beverage Non-Coffee, Coffee drinks have Chlorogenic Acid, and if they are immune suppressive? My favorite is Roma.  

As far as I know, it's fine.  It's a tiny amount of grain.



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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2011 22:24

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Thank you Knochen, that makes me very happy. :D Cutting coffee was one of the hardest parts for me to accomplish but Roma helped me do it. Now I like it much better.

Sometimes I like a brewed non-coffee called "Teeccino". It has the same ingredients except added carob. All the ingredients are organic. http://www.teeccino.com

Last edited on Thu May 5th, 2011 22:35 by CousinTC



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 Posted: Thu May 5th, 2011 23:37

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There is not a lot of chicory in the beverage and it seems everything we eat or drink could do unexpected things, but it appears if anything, chicory is not immune suppressive as it is thought to be toxic to intestinal parasites (see below).

From Wiki:
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Root chicory contains volatile oils similar to those found in plants in the related genus Tanacetum which includes Tansy, and is similarly effective at eliminating intestinal worms. All parts of the plant contain these volatile oils, with the majority of the toxic components concentrated in the plant's root.[14]
Chicory is well known for its toxicity to internal parasites. Studies indicate that ingestion of chicory by farm animals results in reduction of worm burdens,[15][16][17] which has prompted its widespread use as a forage supplement. Only a few major companies are active in research, development, and production of chicory varieties and selections, most in New Zealand.
Chicory (especially the flower) was used as a treatment in Germany, and is recorded in many books as an ancient German treatment for everyday ailments. It is variously used as a tonic and as a treatment for gallstones, gastro-enteritis, sinus problems and cuts and bruises. (Howard M. 1987). Inulin, the dietary fiber found in Chicory, finds application in diabetes and constipation.
Chicory has demonstrated antihepatotoxic potential in animal studies.[18][19][20][21]



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 Posted: Fri May 6th, 2011 10:22

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Thank you mvanwink5, Great Drink, MP Friendly and Medicinal. Now, I like it even more. :D:D



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 Posted: Sat May 7th, 2011 21:15

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My experience with B vitamins has been that they are too stimulating (migraine trigger).

Note about Inulin:
It feeds intestinal flora (good or bad!) and therefore is not for those attempting to complement their MP recovery by following the Specific Carbohydrate Diet.



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Interesting abstract. B12 increases akt/mtor activity. This is a double edged sword.

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Akt/mammalian target of rapamycin signaling pathway regulates neurite outgrowth in cerebellar granule neurons stimulated by methylcobalamin

Methylcobalamin (MeCbl), a vitamin B12 analog, promotes neurite outgrowth by activating Akt in neurons. However, Akt is involved in many cellular functions, and the downstream signal of Akt that promotes neurite outgrowth in neurons in the presence of MeCbl remains obscure. Mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) is a serine/threonine protein kinase that regulates multiple cellular functions including neurite outgrowth. mTOR is regarded as important for the regeneration of injured nerves. In this study, we examined the relationship between MeCbl and mTOR activity and found that MeCbl increases mTOR activity via the activation of Akt and promotes neurite outgrowth in cerebellar granule neurons via the activation of mTOR.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T0G-52H3RYT-3&_user=10&_coverDate=05%2F20%2F2011&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1756818273&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=56856317f533428677ed0e4839af5a1f&searchtype=a

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I don't think mTOR works in-vivo the way that it works in mice.

Rapamycin is certainly a drug which doesn't mix well with the MP.
 

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 Posted: Thu May 19th, 2011 00:14

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Well, I was taking high-dose  methylcobalamin injections for over a year and a half.. and I continued my neurological decline during that time!  So, I would 2nd Dr Marshall's skepticism about the benefits of that form of B-12! 



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