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 Posted: Sun Dec 4th, 2011 12:23

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Dr Roswitha Goetze-Pelka (our own 'titta') spoke at ACA-2011 in Singapore. She discussed the new data supporting Plato's observation that "the greatest mistake in the treatment of diseases is that there are physicians for the body, and physicians for the soul, although the two cannot be separated."

You can find her presentation on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PL8f3aCZCU

and on Vimeo:

http://vimeo.com/33118843

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ps: A transcript of Roswitha's presentation is online at:

http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/transcripts/Singapore_ACA2011_Goetze-Pelka.pdf


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I just watched the video.  I wonder how long it will take the medical establishment to move away from a compartmentalized approach for these diseases to a more systemic approach?  How long will it take to fully recognize the comorbidities invloved? 



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 Posted: Sun Dec 4th, 2011 13:37

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At least a generation, probably two. Until new physicians are being trained by physicians familiar with the changed paradigm.

The big question IMO is - how long will it take the public to put pressure on TPTB to accelerate that timeline...
 

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 Posted: Sun Dec 4th, 2011 22:09

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A great presentation, thank you Roswitha!

I hope, that Roswitha will have much more opportunities to speak on conferences!

She is absolutely right, that fatigue is one of the main problems.
Especially in MS, there are quite some drugs, that are manipulating cytokin-levels.

That people treated like that have a much higher level of fatigue, is know and seems to be accepted as unavoidable. But it is the wrong approach. It does not help to treat a disease with something, that creates or aggravates a psychiatric disorder when at the same time, the drug is only targeting symptoms.

So hopefully everyone who listened to Roswithas presentation, understood that!




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Thanks for the presentation Dr Goetze-Pelka (Titta) and Dr Marshall for posting it!

I know I have tremendous fatigue with ALS.  It feels like my strength and life-force itself is being drained out of me slowly.  And I have to admit I get depressed more lately as the symptoms have gotten worse.  There are times I feel like it is not worth the fight. 

But I fight really hard to stay positive and optimistic as I firmly believe what we think and feel affects our ability to heal!  You have the BELIEVE you will get well before your body will make it happen IMO.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 5th, 2011 12:18

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Roswitha,

Thank you for your fantastic presentation. I think you are quite right in labelling fatigue as an important comorbidity which can be disabilitating for your job. I experienced this personally quite strongly. After three years on the MP I got a lot of my energy back again. It is one of the first symptoms that really improved. I think your presentation was giving a very clear message on this issue. People first should learn and understand a problem before they start to think about possible solutions. And this is precisely what you did.

Great work titta!

Sincerely, Jan



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Great work Roswitha!

I enjoyed your presentation very much and agree with Verena's words, hope to see (hear) more presentations like this one. It contributes to change present medical thinking.



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 Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2011 04:37

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The lecture is really helpful. It brings out certain connections without wasting words and summarizes this aspect of Marshall protocol and how it works just brilliantly!
Thanks!
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I finally was able to make time to view the presentation.  Great job Titta!!

It was awesome.
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 Posted: Mon Dec 19th, 2011 10:09

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Thanks Titta for pointing out depression and so on in autoimmune/inflammatory diseases.

Saw you used a quote from Paul Ehrlich. I saw a Warner Bros movie about his professional life. I also quoted Ehrlich in earlier posts.

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Tussilago,
With respect to this article, Medicine really doesn't understand how antibiotics actually work in the body. In particular, the concept this this drug kills bacteria in Schizophrenics has a fatal flaw - we know that if that was the case the patients would be very ill indeed from immunopathology.

The antibiotics we use seem to primarily function by modulation the innate immune system. Minocycline acts on the PXR to reduce the levels to which 1,25-D can accumulate in the body by upregulating CYP3A4. So does Clindamycin increase CYP3A4, although I suspect it is by a different pathway.

These antibiotics kill bacteria with cell walls, but apparently do not directly kill the microbiota. They are quite effective with periodontal, and other acute infections, especially Clindamycin.

 ..nothing is simple anymore... :X

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ok. I took that part away. I do not know why I keep coming back to write these kind of things. It must be the disease:( ... I hope. I will try to do better ahead.

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Tussilago,
No need to remove things :) We have to keep up a constant discussion to make sure we keep up with these changes in understanding - which are pretty profound...
 

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Trevor, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about the MP antibiotics when you say:

The antibiotics we use seem to primarily function by modulation the innate immune system. Minocycline acts on the PXR to reduce the levels to which 1,25-D can accumulate in the body by upregulating CYP3A4. So does Clindamycin increase CYP3A4, although I suspect it is by a different pathway.


So if one feels worse with one of the MP antibiotics, do I take it that it's doing something to the immune system to cause more bacterial killing? Or not necessarily?

I just can't seem to stay on the max Zith dosage for long because it makes me feel worse mood-wise and mentally...and I've tried many times now, each time having to reduce or stop it for some time. So, not sure if I should bother with it at all or not.



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We have been deprecating Zith for some time now. I covered this on the last one or two webconferences (you can watch the archives).

http://MarshallProtocol.com/conferences

Multiple pathways explaining Zith's activity were explained in this paper:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22059997

The loss of MHC, CD40, and CD86 in dendritic cells also explains why Zith is so long acting - it takes the body weeks to replace the lost cell differentiation. MHC loss, in particular, is a big deal.

Zith has proven a problem when members have to have unplanned hospital care, after an accident, for example. Many hospitals want to withdraw the Olmesartan, a very dangerous decision if the patient still has Zith in their systems...

Anyway, I think most of this is already in the MPKB :)

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Here is a link to the fulltext of the Reichenberg article Titta cited:

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/58/5/445

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A transcript of Roswitha's presentation is online at:

http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/transcripts/Singapore_ACA2011_Goetze-Pelka.pdf



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