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Prof Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Mon Sep 19th, 2016 08:15 |
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You should not pay any credence to any science based on Genes until the field starts to get its act together. This entire branch of Science has faded into insignificance since the discovery of the importance of Epignetics, a field too complicated for most mere mortals to attempt.
The promise of an understanding based on genes was that it was easy to apply statistical analyses to databases, and it was hoped that useful breakthroughs would result from the bean-counters 'pumping the numbers'. All that has resulted is vague associations and very little solid science. At this point in time, even the BRCA mutations are being deprecated as misleading.
All attempts to "dumb-down" understanding of how the body works have failed based on our expanding understanding of biological complexity. Take a look at some of my recent YouTube presentations for more background.
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Joyful
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Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2017 00:05 |
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Vitamin D in Disarray:
http://www.lulu.com/shop/hywel-davies/vitamin-d-in-disarray/paperback/product-14013233.html
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Claudia
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Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2017 00:07 |
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| Have you read that book, Joyful? Looks very interesting!
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Ron
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Posted: Tue Jul 25th, 2017 09:48 |
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Did we miss Dr. Davies back in 2010? Here are some interesting quotes from this 1924 born cardiologist. I found them on this blog.
"The idea that widespread vitamin D deficiency exists in the world has never had any credibility, and the idea that vigorous supplementation is necessary therefore has to be false."
"Nowadays it is virtually impossible to buy milk in the US that has not been laced (‘fortified’) with vitamin D. The amounts added, and the content, have been subject to dubious control, and a number of fatalities have occurred due to Vitamin D poisoning from milk."
"The mis-labeling of this compound as a vitamin is regrettable, as it gave a potential toxin an aura of undeserved innocence. Vitamin D is not a vitamin, but a steroid, which is, in its most active form, a powerful hormone with receptors widely distributed in the tissues of the body. As with other steroids, excessive consumption has risks."
I wonder if, in the meantime, Dr. Davies has found evidence to back up (or disprove!) the following statement.
"Sporadic deficiency does exist and must be treated, but this applies to identifiable groups such as older people in institutions."
Certainly an interesting MD and outspoken cadiologist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hywel_Davies_(doctor)
"He believes that medicine took a wrong turning when it elected to devote the bulk of its resources to studying cholesterol and to largely inconclusive clinical trials based on flawed statistical manipulation."
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Sallie Q
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Posted: Wed Jul 26th, 2017 03:13 |
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blogs
~4 pro-v.D
1 strongly anti-v.D
a couple inconsistent, point to anti supplementation research, but still take pharma D 
The tide seems to be turning, but the penny has not dropped
they still think low D25 is a deficiency, not a marker for ill-health/VDR dysfunction
Last edited on Wed Jul 26th, 2017 03:14 by Sallie Q
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Rico
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Posted: Thu Jul 27th, 2017 00:27 |
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| I wonder if Dr D gave some credit to Dr M.
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Trudy.Heil_NP
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Posted: Thu Jul 27th, 2017 01:38 |
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I ordered the book....I'll let you know.
Trudy
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Claudia
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2019 13:45 |
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A recent study / overview:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(18)30265-1/fulltext
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be-well
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 08:56 |
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when defending my reasons not to take high dose Vit D3 some years ago, my general physician said, "unless its written in The Lancet, I needn't worry!
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Prof Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 09:04 |
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(06)69509-3/fulltext
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be-well
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 09:37 |
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|25-D-3.3.-1,25D-58. 25-D-3.3.- 1,25D-70.Dec 2014.
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mvanwink5
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 15:10 |
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On the other hand, the precursor metabolite to 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, 25-hydroxyvitamin D, blocks the VDR in a manner analogous to the action of prednisolone, a corticosteroid.4
Thus, vitamin D and statins function as steroids, with each drug acting a little bit differently on the innate and adaptive immune systems. Immune diseases that are often treated with corticosteroids, including multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis, and those in which insulin receptors are important, such as type 1 diabetes, could be expected to respond both to vitamin D and to individual statins.
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mvanwink5
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2019 15:15 |
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So, FDA is flooding our food supply with steroids, ie 'Vit D', what could go wrong?
Obesity? Chronic disease epidemic? With the double whammy of flooding our lives with immune suppressing RF?
Tragic.
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Claudia
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Posted: Thu May 9th, 2019 01:52 |
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This just out:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2733396?guestAccessKey=97158b16-07d5-4d08-b46a-03f4b5b17705&utm_source=silverchair&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_alert-jama&utm_content=olf&utm_term=050819
*sigh* They are still looking at the cholesterol and being confused. Won't someone point them in the direction of "D"?
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mvanwink5
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Posted: Thu May 9th, 2019 03:16 |
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Amy has pointed out that the cholesterol found in plaque has been shown to be bacterial in origin. In fact there are bacteria that are labeled as 'greasy' because they shed cholesterol in large quantities and that these bacteria are commonly found in the oral cavity (mouth). Further there is a strong correlation to health of the gums and teeth to heart and arterial health.
Too much to ask the doctors paid huge money to know the latest...
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Claudia
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Posted: Sun May 12th, 2019 23:44 |
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| Yes - regarding oral bacteria - The very first thing I noticed clearing up when I started the MP was my gums disease. Gums no longer bled and the slimy plaque on my teeth disappeared. I was left with hard plaque which needed scaling, but it was just the dead remainder of the bacterial film.
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