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Thanks to JohnMcC for posting a link to an interesting new study. I have now read the full text, and the experiment seems to have been performed carefully, so the results are probably reliable:
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25775055

What they found was that expression by the brain of two of five micro-RNAs (Wikipedia explains here what a Micro RNA is) is changed when the rats are exposed for 12 months to a WiFi signal. The rats were in an absorptive Faraday cage. All the miRNAs measured were changed, but only two reached statistical significance due to the small number of rats in the experiment.

The WiFi signal was supplied by a Signal Generator, which is not as harmful (IMO) as an 802.11N normal WiFi access point. Distance to the antenna was about 50cm (20 inches).

I didn't want to comment on this study until I saw the methodology, but it does look reasonably solid. And also pretty bleak for mankind. I am convinced that we are only at the threshold of comprehending the harm that microwave radiation can cause.

This Foundation is currently manufacturing 100 special shielding caps for distribution to members so that we ourselves can get a better idea if waves might be affecting our disease symptoms. This will be a volunteer-only, free-of-charge, project.  Please watch for an announcement this coming week, and add you name to the list if you are interested in joining the study.  Based on the results of previous peer-reviewed studies we do not expect anybody to be able to observe any changes after wearing these hats. However, based on some recent member reports, the experience may in fact be profound. And that uncertainty is what Science is all about...

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Thank you! If this applies to humans as well, RF exposure really seems to mess with our physiology in profound ways :?

Not sure if this one has already been mentioned on the forum in the past couple weeks - excuse me if it is. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X15003988
(I've got full text/manuscript for those who'd like)

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Do we add our name here for the EMF shielding hat? If so. Sign me up! Thanks, Terry

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Jory, thanks for the interesting study. So they gave mice a carcinogen, and then exposed them to radiation, eh? The results are rather like I see for steroid immunosuppression, high doses of RF improved short-term longevity (figure S2) while impairing long-term survival. Of course, the RF levels are way too high, but this does tend to confirm my own hypothesis, that the TEM RF is acting to damp down innate immunity, perhaps by blocking the body's feedback and control signaling pathways.

Fascinating to see their criticism of the studies which failed to confirm the earlier observation - where they crammed the mice into test tubes to keep their radiation levels constant. It is amazing what lengths researchers will go to when being paid by well-heeled organizations... And the lengths IRBs will go to, for that matter...

..Trevor..

ps: I think the CWS works via a different mechanism, as I think the body uses capacitive waves in its signaling...

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Prof Trevor Marshall wrote:


This Foundation is currently manufacturing 100 special shielding caps for distribution to members so that we ourselves can get a better idea if waves might be affecting our disease symptoms. This will be a volunteer-only, free-of-charge, project.  Please watch for an announcement this coming week, and add you name to the list if you are interested in joining the study.  Based on the results of previous peer-reviewed studies we do not expect anybody to be able to observe any changes after wearing these hats. However, based on some recent member reports, the experience may in fact be profound. And that uncertainty is what Science is all about...

Sincerely
Trevor



Great news on the hats! Can't wait to try them out...
J:)

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Prof Trevor Marshall wrote:
that the TEM RF is acting to damp down innate immunity, perhaps by blocking the body's feedback and control signaling pathways.
Dr. Marshall,
I am trying to understand what the RF interaction with the body's immune system means to intracellular innate immunity. Is it postulated in your mental model that intracellular xenobiotic signaling is what is being interfered with?

I am having trouble knowing what is positive (from restoration of proper immune response) and deleterious changes in IP. Perhaps my brain is all fogged up - I had it in my mind that CWS and RF were not significant influences on intracellular innate immune function.

(I realize there is RF changes to micro RNA but that wasn't shown to be a direct effect, it could be a round about effect, and as far as I know it does not show a connection to intracellular innate immunity, no?)

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Mike,
I have just submitted an abstract to a major Neuroimmunology conference during June suggesting that the human body may be using waves in some way as part of its signalling regime. Pulsed digital RF waveforms, which seem to be the worst offenders, would be the type which would most confuse a signalling system, giving lots of pseudo-random inputs. We have the additional knowledge about the CWS sensitivity, and I am hoping to find some experts I can chat with (at the conference) who can flesh out my concepts a little more.

I will say a lot more about this on Schwannsongs once I start getting over my jet-lag :)

..Trevor..

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Dr. Marshall,
Signaling by waves, yes, and I can see signals going from the cell to the CNS, but do you see it going from the CNS back out to the innate intracellular immune response globally? How could it do that? Specific immune system, yes, but intracellular? I understand a system response like raising body temperature to cause a fever, an increase in TNF-alpha (which we know happens), etc, but are you postulating it directing production of intracellular AMP's, or perhaps the right cleaving of cathelicidin?

My simple minded thinking is that the best thing to do strategy wise is clean up the EMF and let the immune system sort it out (plus the MP strategies: minimize 25D in the diet, frequent olmesartan dosing, and avoiding immune modulating ligands (etc.), offending trigger foods, chemicals, light, etc. CWS seems like a counter to a dirty EMF environment, but perhaps it is also helpful to dealing with microbe 'waves' immune interference, or just normal damaged communication?

Perhaps our tolerance to EMF is a result of the body's evolved counter to microbe 'wave' attacks on the immune system communication or just tolerance needed for normal communication trouble?

As you can see I am really still in search of an 'inside the cell' understanding of how EMF has slowed MP recovery - which is what looks like 'THE' blockbuster breakthrough.

Perhaps it really boils down to how much do outside the cell waves participate in proper inside the cell metabolic processes, of which innate immunity is our current battle ground? That is the whole elephant in the living room or more like the 'ghost' in the body? Or have I gone too far?

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Mike,
There was a paper recently documenting "quantum puffs of energy" which occur when molecules interact. I have previously noted that all molecules move, and moving charges normally can create waves. What we don't know is whether signalling might occur via such a pathway (energy bursts, molecule to molecule). The prudent approach is to assume that it is possible, for example:

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140603/ncomms4999/full/ncomms4999.html

https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/the-origin-of-life-and-the-hidden-role-of-quantum-criticality-ca4707924552

As for letting the immune system work it out, yes, that does seem to work OK. Those of us able to achieve a quiet (-65dBm) sleeping environment will, I suspect, start reporting stabilization over the coming months. But we are all right at the leading edge of scientific understanding.

As for "tolerance to EMF," whatever gave you the idea that the human body possesses such a tolerance? I have crunched the numbers again and again, and I see that the -65dBm number is very close to Boltzmann noise over a 100GHz bandwidth, and am not sure we are seeing anything which cannot be explained by standard RF Engineering. In other words, there is no tolerance, only TEM-induced 'interference' attenuated by body fluids. We need to understand Maxwell's equations better, or whatever replaces them in a biological setting.  We also need to better understand near field conditions (and capacitive waves). But I don't see any signs of a 'tolerance' at this point, just a 'sensitivity'.

..Trevor..

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In other words, there is no tolerance :shock:
Oh, my. That does put my mind into a whirl.

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Pay walled, but in supplemental pdf figure 6:
At higher frequencies, there is a surprising increase in motion in the (ligand) binding site that might correspond to a blue shift.

So, ligand binding sites have a special affinity to wave influence / activation!? Accidental?
:shock::shock::shock:

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@Mike:
Prof Carlo Ventura's presentation at UNESCO described how waves / fields can be used to reprogram normal cells to become pluripotent stem cells. That is absolutely mind-blowing.

The complete video is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3lvFJgXScM

And a thought for the skeptics:
Remember, if you are going to write this research off as "crackpot" there are a heck of a lot of very clever "crackpots" on that stage, and more at their Universities, whose collective minds can match any in the world.  So before you instinctively say "ridiculous," please consider how logically unwise your drawaing such a conclusion really is...
 

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Thanks Dr M and all.

About there being no tolerance...how does that fit with some people being seemingly unaffected by EMFs?

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I wish I knew, k.
My best guess is that all are immuno-compromized by EMFs, but the cancers (etc) take longer to develop. Those who are suffering from an immune disease get IP, which manifests itself more quickly. And yes, I accept this is a pretty bleak scenario. But we are already in the middle of a surge in chronic inflammatory disease that nobody really can pinpoint a cause for. Eventually we will all look in the right place, in the right way, and kick ourselves for having missed 'the obvious' for so long. That's Science... :X
 

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There is none so blind as those who won't see - stubborn educated block heads like me for instance, until the S&S blanket test on the jet plane. And I have suffered for at least 30 years from the EMF induced IP. :X I never would have believed it could possible, there was just no plausible mechanism to make it possible.

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As I say in the first paragraph of my abstract for the NeuroImmunology conference in June:
"Experiments demonstrating any effect of microwave radiation on the human brain have been difficult to perform and replicate. Here we discuss two preliminary studies which show that difficulties arise both because the brain is 1000 times more sensitive to microwaves than previously thought possible, and effects on the innate immune system can have an onset delay of hours, with a persistence of days."
and then, after describing the CWS and Hat experiments, I finish off by saying:
"This extreme sensitivity of the human brain to EM radiation suggests that the body may be using EM waves in endogenous signaling processes."
For that really is the most likely of all the unlikely mechanisms :) :)
 

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H.....   "There are more things in heaven and earth,...."

P....... "[Aside] Though this be madness, yet there is method in 't."

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Where do we sign up for the "hats program"?

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The sleeping caps will start being sent out in the next few weeks. The first hats will go out to everybody with a CWS, and then we will make an announcement for all the  membership with a thread to post requests in :) We have made more than a hundred and fifty, so nobody will miss out :)

The 'winter hats' (better looking) will start mailing sometime in May :) Same procedure there :)


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Electromagnetic signals are produced by aqueous nanostructures derived from bacterial DNA sequences.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20640822

Abstract
A novel property of DNA is described: the capacity of some bacterial DNA sequences to induce electromagnetic waves at high aqueous dilutions. It appears to be a resonance phenomenon triggered by the ambient electromagnetic background of very low frequency waves. The genomic DNA of most pathogenic bacteria contains sequences which are able to generate such signals. This opens the way to the development of highly sensitive detection system for chronic bacterial infections in human and animal diseases.


Full paper : http://www.homeopathyeurope.org/media/news/MontagnierElectromadneticSignals.pdf



Electromagnetic fields mediate efficient cell reprogramming into a pluripotent state.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25248035

These epigenetic changes resulted from EMF-induced activation of the histone lysine methyltransferase Mll2. Remarkably, an EMF-free system that eliminates Earth's naturally occurring magnetic field abrogates these epigenetic changes, resulting in a failure to undergo reprogramming. Therefore, our results reveal that EMF directly regulates dynamic epigenetic changes through Mll2, providing an efficient tool for epigenetic reprogramming including the acquisition of pluripotency.

A cell infested with bacteria will undergo more epigenetic changes, right? Might it be more vulnerable to EMF in that case?

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Thanks Lorenzo, very interesting and dovetails with the above youtube conference video. Experimentation, it seems to me, is especially tricky when dealing with bacteria as they can lurk undetected. In this critically important paper that you include, for instance:

http://www.homeopathyeurope.org/media/news/MontagnierElectromadneticSignals.pdf
The latter however was able to regenerate the original my- coplasma when incubated with a mycoplasma negative culture of human lymphocytes within 2 to 3 weeks.
The question that stands out in my mind is how was it reliably determined that the culture was truly mycoplasma negative? I am not saying that the paper is vulnerable to such contamination questions as no doubt such scrutiny of the paper, and even greater, has been subjected already. Still, I would be interested if the paper has passed Dr. Marshall’s close inspection, especially because of the implications of this investigation.

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You can see Luc Montagnier's own presentation of his discoveries at our YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYcNXjdPXGU

He has progressed quite a lot in the intervening years since this paper was written.

We need to understand that he is talking about replicating a short length of DNA, not the full organism. It is not clear whether the patterns from a full organism, even a simple bacterium, would be too complex to process. I suspect so.

As for passing my inspection, I respect the competence and honesty of the scientists doing this work, and I point out the reductionist simplicity of their experimental work. I very much doubt this knowledge will be directly applicable to treatment of disease during this decade.

..Trevor..



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