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Prof Trevor Marshall
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 Posted: Tue Apr 14th, 2015 03:00

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I have just turned up a recent paper from Korea. Here is the link to the fulltext:

"Electromagnetic Fields Mediate Efficient Cell Reprogramming into a Pluripotent State"
http://goo.gl/LCSh3w

Actually, that is a preprint, the images are all at the end of the paper. The published version from the ACS journal  is easier to read, but costs money :X

You might remember that Prof Carlo Venturi presented a very similar thing at Luc Montagnier's UNESCO symposium last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3lvFJgXScM

where he showed cells being changed to cardiomyocytes (heart cells) and start beating. All following the application of waves.

Clinical Medicine dreams of being able to turn normal cells into pluripotent stem cells, and the US government has spent a billion dollars trying to achieve this. You see, the stem cells can then be persuaded to turn into other types of cells, like heart tissue, liver tissue, kidney tissue, etc, to help surgeons repair the human body. It now turns out that electromagnetic waves can induce the epigenetic changes which cause this transformation, a discovery which all those dollars did nothing to help.

I often get engineers and physicists telling me that there is no way that electromagnetic waves can interfere with the operation of the human body. They are partly correct, in that the ways in which the waves can interact are way beyond the scientific training of those skeptical engineers and physicists. It takes a special kind of mind to even attempt what Prof Venturi attempted, let alone to pull it off. The Koreans deserve similar respect. Now that this work has been replicated by both the Italian and Korean teams, the impossible has become fait accompli

But I still don't know what to tell the skeptics. This science is so far beyond the average person's comprehension :X Your suggestions are welcomed.

Sincerely
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 Posted: Tue Apr 14th, 2015 08:54

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I bet Dr. Bruce Lipton will love it. :)

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Wow. So does this mean we should use the CWS device more? (I always like to be practical).



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 Posted: Sat Apr 18th, 2015 01:09

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Additional questions: What is the lowest strength of 50Hz field at which there is still a biological effect on the cells? What does this mean for people in the UK or many parts of the world where the mains frequency is 50Hz? What effect does a 60Hz (mains frequency in United States and Asia) field have on the cells? How are the higher-frequency electromagnetic fields affecting our biology? Are there observational studies looking at cancer or health differences between countries where the mains frequency is 60Hz vs. 50Hz?



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@Findinganswers
There are countless studies at both 50Hz and 60Hz. I just skimmed a number of them while looking through the abstracts of an upcoming conference (BIOEM-2015). Do a bit of Googling, you will find them. Problem is, none are really reliable. Either the amplitudes are too high, or they are measuring the wrong things, or they are using animals, all common misconceptions we had to overcome to understand the effects of microwaves.

However, I will again go on record and say that the effects of 50Hz and 60Hz power mains are small compared to the effects of cell-tower and WiFi proliferation. I say this for several reasons. First, the cause you can see is always easier to rationalize than the cause you can't see. And you can't see the microwaves, you can see power lines. Second, the power mains carry large amplitudes of IF and RF signals in their fields, in addition to the LF magnetic components. Third, mankind has become fixated on high-amplitude signals affecting biology, whereas low amplitude signals seem to be just as effective, if not more so. Which means 99% of all studies (50Hz and 60Hz and Microwave) are looking at the wrong thing. I will be talking about why Science got it all so very wrong at a conference in late June. When the abstracts are posted publicly I will be able to talk more about that... But the issues are summarized above, except for one - that the immune system is involved, and therefore there are hours of delay between exposure and effect, and that effect takes days to clear. No prior studies have figured that one out.

There have been some members reporting sensitivity to magnetic fields, but all to date have also microwave sensitivities. So we need to explore this whole area far more carefully and in more detail. There is no doubt that lab experiments (eg, those of Luc Montagnier's group) have shown amazing biological effects in the lab. But dealing with a very complex self-protecting system, a human, is significantly more difficult than dealing with strands of DNS and cells in-vitro.

Hope that helps.
..Trevor..

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Thank you Dr. Marshall. Here is a comprehensive paper discussing how the stress response or generation of heat-shock proteins is stimulated by exposure to EMFs at low levels, and that DNA damage occurs at lower levels than those considered safe ( http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec07_2007_Evidence_for_Stress_Response.pdf ). One of the studies referenced shows increased synthesis of the stress response protein hsp70kD from human promyelocytic HL60 cells exposed to 60Hz EMF ( http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1097-4644(19970915)66:4%3C482::AID-JCB7%3E3.0.CO;2-H/abstract ), but I was not able to access the full text to see the field strength used. The paper also says RF fields have a similar effect and I thought the following might be pertinent (bottom page 8): "The fact that the same non-thermal mechanism is activated in ELF and RF ranges emphasizes that it is not the total energy associated with the EMF that is critical, but rather the regular oscillations of the stimulating force. As already mentioned earlier, the energy associated with each wave (i.e., energy/cycle) is more or less independent of the frequency. If the same energy is needed to reach threshold in both ELF and RF, the many repetitions at the higher frequency cause the non-thermal threshold to be reached in a shorter time and the total energy absorbed over time to increase with frequency. Even in the ELF range, where SAR levels are very low, the stress response is activated by short exposures to fields of less than 1μT, while single and double strand breaks in DNA have been reported at longer exposures to higher field strengths ~0.1mT (Lai and Singh, 2005). The two mechanisms appear to be related in that breaks in DNA appear to result from free radical mechanisms that also involve electron transfer reactions (Lai and Singh, 1997b)." Another quote relating to RF fields causing the stress response, or more specifically, generation of the hsp27 protein (page 7): "The Ivancsits, Diem and Winker studies cited above are part of the REFLEX Project, a collaboration of twelve laboratories in seven countries of the European Union (REFLEX, 2004). The group found that both ELF and RF exposures, below the current safety limits, modified the expression of many genes and proteins. They also reported DNA damage (e.g., strand breaks, micronuclei, chromosomal damage) due to ELF fields at exposures of 35μT. Similar genotoxic effects were produced in fibroblasts, granulosa cells and HL60 cells by RF fields at SARs between 0.3 and 2W/kg. The expression and phosphorylation of the stress protein hsp27 was one of the many proteins affected." The discussion of RF fields generating these stress responses (hsp27 protein) correlates with my own personal experience of feeling an adrenaline rush (stress response) along with a reduced ability to focus and concentrate when I take my cell phone off of airplane mode, or am in the presence of wireless internet. The paper also discusses specific DNA sequences, that when transferred to other cells, then cause those cells to become EMF sensitive (bottom of page 5, top of 6), but the referenced study ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11180404 ) was done with 8uT 60Hz fields, which I assume is stronger than what we are normally exposed to from house wiring/power lines (this document says you would have to be directly under a high-voltage power line to get up to 5uT: http://www.who.int/peh-emf/project/mapnatreps/nznrl_emfbooklet2008.pdf ). I will be very interested to hear your talk at the upcoming conference. I hope I am not doing too much damage to my body by working in a job where I am now engulfed in wifi, although I do feel and struggle with its effects on me.



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Which means 99% of all studies (50Hz and 60Hz and Microwave) are looking at the wrong thingLast fall when traveling on an airline I had my typical severe muscle knots onset, and then donned my S&S blanket, whereupon the muscle knots vanished. The relief was epic as I would always writhe in pain the whole trip. At that point I realized that indeed EMF 'sensitivity' was real and I had a case load of it.

I say all this because DNA damage, or protein damage, etc. makes no sense as mechanisms of the effect. Damage to cell biology does not heal when an EMF blanket is wrapped around a body. Communication disruption does and I would find it surprising for that to show up in in vitro studies.



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@FindingAsnwers.
Look, there really are no answers from reading scientific abstracts. The more you try to understand them the more entangled you become in the researchers' own psyche, the researchers' own mistakes.

I have for some years been discouraging members from trying to read too much into reductionist texts. You need to step back, as the researcher needs to step back, and look at the bigger picture.

I regard the conclusions of the paper you detailed as being unimportant and unreliable. Why? Well, 1uT is something you find close to transformers, electromagnets and motors, not power lines. Sitting at my desk here, surrounded by computers and stuff, I am sitting in about 0.05 uT. So there is the first problem -- lack of data. What are the field strengths in your work environment?  If you don't measure the environmental electrosmog as completely as possible you really have no idea what is in it. The last time I drove under power lines my microwave alarm went off from all the high frequency junk which was hitching a ride along with the 50Hz power.

So what info should you be looking for? Not stuff about "stress response protein hsp70kD" or "DNA damage" (which could rather indicate a failure of DNA repair, rather than a direct action on DNA, as I know that DNA is a strong molecule).  Look for researchers who have their thinking caps on, like this study from the abstract link I posted several hours ago (above):

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Magnetic field triggered syncope – From Jaques-Arsene d'Arsonval's first observation in1896, to car accident injury statistics after power-line motorway crossings in Switzerland

Joel Niederhauser 1 , Roman Schmied 2 , Mathias Baudenbacher 3 , Christian Schindler 4 , Brian Litt 5 & Martin Roosli 6
1 Bioelectromagnetics, InnoClever GmbH, Liestal, Switzerland, 4410
2 Department of Physics, University of Basel, Basel, Switzerland, 4456
3 Accident Statistics, Federal Roads Office (FEDRO), Ittigen, Switzerland, 3063
4 Biostatistics, Swiss Tropical and Public Health Institute, Basel, Switzerland, 4002
5 Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA, USA, 19104
6 Physical Hazards and Health, Swiss Tropical and Public Health Institute, Basel, Switzerland, 4002

In 1896 Jaques-Arsene d'Arsonval, a French pioneer in bioelectromagnetics, observed that an alternating magnetic field (110V, 30 A, 42 Hz) triggered syncopes in some persons [d’Arsonval, 1896]. After having observed in the 2012 accident injury statistics a very unusual person damage to non-person damage odds ratio of 18.1 (p = 0.0005) localized after a specific 380 kV power-line motorway crossing in Switzerland, a nationwide analysis was conducted. We identified 9 unusual accident hot spots and found that the power-line crossing exposure count on the 2.5 km road segment behind the accidents was factor 8.5 (95% CI[6.6,10.8]) higher compared to matched control settings ahead of the accidents.

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What is this?

https://www.toolsforwellness.com/product/shuzi-leather-emf-band/

"Nano Vibrational Technology" marketing claims:

"Scientifically Proven BioMeridian is the world’s largest manufacturer of Meridian Stress Assessment instrumentation, FDA-registered medical diagnostic equipment used by doctors and health practitioners around the world to assess functional health. These machines measure stress and energy levels in the human body. Upon completion of BioMeridian testing, Shuzi was proven to effectively lower and balance stress levels in the human body."
.Protects from Electromagnetic Field (EMF) radiation
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All those 'devices' are frauds. They twist scientific words and concepts into ways that sound plausible to non-scientists, and then they grab your money. If yo want your money back they make you admit that you have failed. Not the device has failed, that YOU have failed to make it work properly. Most people just shoulder their losses.

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Agreed. I thought we might say so here.

It is difficult to present reliable guideposts with many different entities claiming there definitely is EMF (yeah! a new $$$ bandwagon), but ever more nonsense.

People have trouble enough with few understood or reliable constructs to discern truth. They have no well-understood benchmark/rubric but to trust all and get burned a few times, then distrust everything. It can be frustrating.

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Thank you. Keep up the good work.



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