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I speak on Thursday

Here is the schedule:
https://the5gsummit.com/schedule/

Sept 7th is the start of the 'encore' performance

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Magda Havas is online now https://the5gsummit.com/expert/magda-havas

as are Devra, and the others available today...

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great stuff! needs to be published and easy to get to for those unaware and our elected. there is a dialog box at the bottom to send an editable form letter to your elected people. This is how we affect positive change.

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I was a little sad Magda drug in the notion of emotions as a cause of eSmog effects, 'seeing the cell tower caused a reaction' the old hysterical woman' meme. So much destruction to understanding has resulted in this worn out 'gas lighting.'

From a science point of view, it seemed her thinking is stuck, as are the preponderance of todays doctors, in the 1990's medical mythologies. You name it and she mentioned it. Yet. nowhere did she mention the elephant in the room, the Microbiome. We know bacteria are directly effected by the eSmog and we know therefore that the Microbiome must be effected, not to mention the human or bacterial immune systems, or the 100k different human proteins, and uncounted non human proteins.

It was disappointing to me that she has not kept up. I won't go point by point on her talk.

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Mike, I will be meeting her at the upcoming EMFconference.com in Santa Cruz and will try to better evaluate why these folk get stuck in paradigms that don't work. Same with Martin Pall, all he seems to think about is calcium receptors on cells (although he is getting close). "Reactive Oxygen Species" seems acceptable double-talk for "inflammation."

Sadly, many of the 'experts' are sick (including me) but they don't have a network to share their observations, and so their view of the world becomes colored. None of them have Olmesartan to help smooth out the bad days and good days and incrementally inch towards recovery.

Additionally, any Scientist who talks about grounding' needs to be hung drawn and quartered. Yes, the techniques which allegedly "ground" people often do improve symptoms, but I don't see how the improvement has anything to do with real "grounding." We should be exploring what the real mode of action is... These folk just don't seem to understand waves. Or photons :)

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There was a presentation on the science that showed some understanding of role of bacteria interacting with RF, by Devra Lee Davis. Even still, the science is so broad, covering so many hard and soft science, physics and biology, no one seems to be able to get their heads around the science and the solutions.

Magic amulets and black boxes is the result it seems.

I can't see how modern chronic disease can be understood while simultaneously ignoring ubiquitous eSmog which is what I see our Microbiologists doing, or those studying eSmog without looking at the body and microbes, and disabling of the body's protein language. Worse yet is that the power levels that are biologically active are so much lower than most of these researchers seem to grasp, so they think putting their cell phone on airplane mode helps. I know it boggles my mind to wrap my head around the complexity.

I just shield myself the best I can, take my olmesartan, and avoid steroids like D, and wonder if it will ever be enough.

Sometimes I think that the RF, if it did not stunt the bacteria at the same time, that the RF suppression of the immune system would be far more damaging.

Sorry for the bit of a rant.

edit, found her name (Devra Lee Davis)

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Paul Heroux's talk was interesting. Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS) is talked about as a measure of negative impact on the cell, but my feeble memory is that the cell uses it for its metabolism. So, it is a complicated story, IMO, but the point is that RF has a huge impact on cell metabolism.

By the way, my friend sent me the link to Dr. Heoux's talk! It would seem word is out about this conference.

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I am on tomorrow (Thursday). Also, please watch Kevin Mottus. He gives such a good summary of the legislative issues.

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Dr. Sharon Goldberg has an excellent talk. She brought up the effect of RF on microbes in the body as important, and as we (here at the MPKB cohort) know the Microbiome is at the heart of the so called 'disease without an infectious agent (LOL!).'

There are actually more people who get it than I thought. (the moderator does not grasp the subject, still, and he is being exposed to all these talks. I wonder why?)

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Dr. Marshall,
Virtually no one other than you seems to recognize the ubiquitous role of the Microbiome on and as integral to the chronic disease epidemic as primary causative agent. Granted, RF exposure has its own direct effects and immediate and longterm damage, but RF exposures pivotal role of profound suppression of the immune system seems lost. In its place other modes and pathways to the effects seen from RF are put forth (such as the cellular calcium channel interference ). I think that perceived irreversibility of the effects of RF is completely misinterpreted because proliferation of the Microbiome is never reversed.

I say the above because Dr. Martin Pall has a grim tale to tell.

On the other hand maybe he is partially right in which case the grim end of story may still occur. I dunno enough to even guess.

Do you have a handle on where mankind is on the permanent damage to reproduction and cognitive ability to live productively long term that is in opposition to or less severe than Dr. Martin Pall view?

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Mike, there is a difference between the prognosis for you and me, and the prognosis for mankind as a whole. Medicine has a lot of pragma to overturn before it can advance again. I think that will happen, but slowly. I will get a better idea after Medicine's ability to leap the hurdles while talking with Martin Pall next weekend at the emfConference in SantaCruz.

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Yesterday I went to attend what I thought was a small session of the the Luxembourg consumer organization (ULC, of which I'm a member) where they were to have an expert talk about 5G:
https://www.ulc.lu/fr/news/detail.asp?id=5795
I thought I should attend to take the pulse of where my small home country is at in terms of EMR awareness.
They optimistically called it a conference. Or so I thought. Around 200 people showed up, the room was packed. Mostly people older than myself (40 of age), I only saw three or four faces younger than me the whole evening.

The expert was a German guy versed in what they call "Baubiologie" in Germany - "building biology", quite a German field of study, basically the study of human health in the context of buildings: chemicals, air conditioning, EMR (starting). He went on for a good hour while talking about the different modulation technologies, and how this probably creates worse health problems than the old "analog" non-choppy technologies, about wiring issues, smart meters, including a demo with an acoustic meter of what DECT and WiFi sound like and that we should avoid not have those too near to ourselves. I knew around 80% of what he said, but learned some things about how 5G is also meant to be used in WiFi like settings, some terms like OFDM etc.

There were a couple of well received jokes in between cautioning of modern technologies, and the atmosphere was relaxed. Then came the time for questions.

There was a medical practitioner (I heard her but couldn't see her in the room) starting to talk quite agitatedly about her patients, which seemed a bit out of line compared to the prior mood. I was kinda waiting for some people to make stupid remarks. Nope. When she finished, a large group of people erupted into applause.

A few more innocuous questions which were answered easily enough, then a French guy who went to drone on and on about how the corporates are effing everyone, not a single question, only an angry monologue, again completely breaking with the quiet listening of before. Awkward I thought... then people clapped. I first thought it was ironic clapping, like the Brits sometimes do. Nope. When he was completely finished, they clapped again.

Then the next question was about smart meters, and when the expert said it wasn't the worst problem facing people, some guy loudly and angrily complained.

I've never seen something like it. There was a palpable sense of anxiousness, desperation and anger, of people at the end of their line.

No outright hostilities, but you could see that the organizer and the expert were taken aback.

Discontent is festering...

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Good, wirion. It's what the experts and elites need to hear and see as they have forced this down our throats.

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Wirion, is there a way to get in contact with the lecturer? I would really like to see if he could do a teleconference with our city council sometime. Utah is considering 5G and may already have it in some places.

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Hi bookdad,
searching brought up this page:
https://baubiologie-virnich.de/ueber-uns/martin-virnich-2/

with his details at the very bottom of the page listed as:
Tel.: 0 21 61 / 89 65 74
E-Mail: kontakt@baubiologie-virnich.de

So internationally the phone number would be +49 2161 896574 if I'm not mistaken.

Sorry to hear about Utah. That's a good idea to reach out to him, many people need an official expert to be convinced.

Good luck!

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Wirion,
is there a video of this conference? I downloaded both links you stated but there was no video. There was only a summary of what would be addressed at the meeting. It would interest me.
In this connection I found an organization called diagnose:funk, a German organization for  the protection of environement and consumers with offices in Switzerland and Germany. I applied for membership and they have sent me lots of brochures regarding the EMF pollution. There is a growing resistance to this technology but this movement is not strong enough to change the mind of the politicians who are so strongly influenced by the just money minded industry. How can we bring the news about this dangerous technique to the people? The media is full of support of this industry, public broadcasting, the press etc.   

Edward Plum

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Hi Edward,
I don't think there is video of this but I've asked them via email anyway, I'm waiting for the response.

They did publish a short article on it, in both German and French, I've uploaded it here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3o3suf5vnrmi5ot/ULC%20conference.pdf?dl=0

I wasn't aware of diagnose:funk, I see they have a good web page with relevant news.
As much as I dislike mass media, in my opinion the most effective way to have EMR and EHS awareness become a thing, something that people have at the back of their mind, is via the the top down media. It's starting with local news and specialized organizations but since it's getting worse it's eventually going to be picked up by national media organizations with more reach.

Eventually, some media boss or their family will be affected, and the tone will change then. People always need skin in the game before things change. Ironically, the more widely deployed, the "better" this feedback loop will work and the quicker the awareness. It's slow but it's going to happen.

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I got a reply - there _is_ a video! It's going to be published on the ULC website at some point. Currently it's only available here:
https://vimeo.com/385477658

It doesn't include the agitated Q&A session.

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Oh looky, the BBC is taking notice:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-53285610/the-people-who-think-coronavirus-is-caused-by-5g

First they ignore you, then they call you a conspiracy theory, ...

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They sure do lump in those with concerns with the more extreme reactionary fringes. Like they are on a witch hunt with no substantial science to back them up.

Their "scientist" proclaims up front that after clean water and sanitation, vaccines have saved the most lives. Rah Rah for vaccines without pointing to any studies to back that up. What about all of the children crippled by the Gates' polio vaccine in India?

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Yes exactly. It seems to me "conspiracy theory" has recently become an easy dismissal for people who don't want to think or who have a vested interest while vaguely sounding smart and reasonable.
"Science" - just another argument ad populum. It's the new "fake news" accusation.

It's crazy that "anti-vaxxer" is an accusation. The onus of proof is entirely on the other side.
Because injecting dead or semi dead viruses is an extraordinary thing, compared to showing restraint and precaution.
I'm thinking of calling people who blindly ignore potential problems with vaccination "vaxxers".

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Remember this key paper telling you how to mutate viruses easily:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333794338_Microwave_Induced_Electroporation_of_Adherent_Mammalian_Cells_at_18_GHz

How else would you do that other than with microwaves at only +24dBm???? LOL

(+24dBm is a low power WiFi router output, much much less than a cellphone).)

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In the EM unit conversion chart +24dBm corresponds to 107 V/m, but here thy claim 150V/cm ~ 15,000 V/m. Is this at the first cm?

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I don't understand their old measurements of pulsed DC voltages. All the measurements should have taken into account the frequencies generated by a pulse and given a spread spectrum treatment.

+24dbm is about 1.5 watts, but at microwaves you focus energy with horns, and other types of antennas, so the actual transmit power would be about 5mw through a 20dB gain horn.

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Interesting, thank you for your comment. They go into some detail about their apparatus but it is quite a bit beyond my knowledge.

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Dr. Marshall,
Your drug modeling with olmesartan showed that these massive molecules, specifically the VDR, ring like a bells when exposed to RF, and that resonance amplifies the energy causing instability and shortened docking time or reduced affinity. So, drugs might easily be seen to have lowered ability to act. Worse, since all the proteins have been surmised to be in the state of quantum criticality, the entire body's immune defense and homeostasis would be compromised.

Worse is this paper on the other hand indicates that there can also be enhanced transport across the cell membrane, and it would also be expected to include transport across the nucleus membrane. That might mean that viral infectivity rate might be greatly enhanced, which would translate into varying lethality of a disease such as the Corona virus. One could also suppose that hospitals that use RF to the extreme would have higher levels of mortality just by patients being transported there and then exposed to the hospital environment.

Moreover, those of us that are shielding against RF or living in lower RF zones might expect higher levels of IP or better clearance of pathogens than some of us that have not started shielding. This would translate going back to the early days of the MP as the roll out of consumer microwave devices progressed.

In other words, the RF is a factor in infectivity and drug performance and protocol success or lack of success.

Am I stretching this too far?

Best regards,
Mike

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No, not stretching. It seems the latent viruses that have been reactivated by the RF. Perhaps bacteria, but mainly the viruses. My RF sensitivity got very high when I was ill in Jan/Feb and is a lot less now, possibly less than it has been for many, many, years. I am waiting for more solid data before I start talking about that, though.

If you know anybody 'recovering' from COVID, the chances are they are EM Electrosensitive. Migraines and lack of sleep, lack of concentration seem common.

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A visual animation of all the satellites orbiting our planet...

https://twitter.com/ThespaceAcad/status/1279208804660523008



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