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Dmitry
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2020 00:43 |
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For one thing Chlorogenic Acid appears to be yet another antibiotic:
Synergistic Effect of Chlorogenic Acid and Caffeic Acid with Fosfomycin on Growth Inhibition of a Resistant Listeria monocytogenes Strain
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.0c00352
Chlorogenic acid and caffeic acid are phenolic acids, which are secondary metabolites of plants like blueberry(44−46) among others. Studies have shown that chlorogenic acid and caffeic acid have antimicrobial and antioxidant effects.(47,48) Chlorogenic acid gained substantial attention due to its various biological and pharmacological effects, e.g., anti-diabetics, anti-obesity, anti-oxidation, anti-inflammation, anti-hypertension, antimicrobial activities, and metabolism regulation. It was suggested that chlorogenic acid had bactericidal effects against some pathogens through various mechanisms.(49) It has been shown that the treatment of chlorogenic acid at the concentrations of 2MIC or 4MIC could induce cell constituents’ release, reduce intracellular ATP concentration, and reduce the intracellular pH.(45) Furthermore, chlorogenic acid could limit oxidation of polyunsaturated lipids and delayed the growth of L. monocytogenes.(44) Besides L. monocytogenes, chlorogenic acid also had growth inhibitory effects on other bacteria, such as Salmonella enteritidis and Staphylococcus aureus.(46,48) Similarly, caffeic acid was also shown to have inhibitory effects on L. monocytogenes, S. aureus, Escherichia coli, and Bacillus cereus.(45,50−52) The compound can increase membrane permeability, resulting in the release of cell contents and access of hydrophobic antibiotics.(45,53)Last edited on Sun Nov 8th, 2020 00:45 by Dmitry
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SuperBiome
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2020 12:30 |
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So, what does THIS mean ? Are all/most of those with verified Th1 or Th17 conditions BETTER off avoiding coffee altogether ? ? ?
Please also see my post of 25 Oct 2020 - & implications for (100%) cocoa powder, . . . . & olive oil ?
All the best to all contributors & readers,
SB 
PS: Dmitry, your picture looks ominous; would not want to come across you on a dark night in St Petersburg - & as things are, . . . . probably never shall ! 
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Dmitry
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2020 14:24 |
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SuperBiome wrote:
So, what does THIS mean ? Are all/most of those with verified Th1 or Th17 conditions BETTER off avoiding coffee altogether ? ? ?
Please also see my post of 25 Oct 2020 - & implications for (100%) cocoa powder, . . . . & olive oil ?
Well maybe it helps to intercept(in blood?) some of the bugs which later contribute to chronic microbiome otherwise..
Population do not seem to regress that much and too fast on caffeine comparing the quality of life on and off this substance (esp. compared to other "life enhancement" drugs) - coffee seems to cover up at least mild CFS for the majority of its consumers for decades without much of expected rapid regression - for ex my mom is a coffee drinker for like 40 years already and her CFS is at stable level for the last decades.
As for olive oil I've noticed that similar to coffee, it also contains polyphenols(phenolic-class antibiotics)...
http://www.thegreekoliveestate.com/healthy-evoo/
Research has found that Virgin Olive Oils have a Natural Polyphenol level that can range from anywhere between 50 – 5000 mg/kg (using NMR Spectroscopy). On Average, EVOOs (the highest quality Olive Oil) range between 100-250 mg/kg polyphenols.
Total Polyphenol Intake Is Inversely Associated with a Pro/Anti-Inflammatory Biomarker Ratio in European Adolescents of the HELENA Study
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/150/6/1610/5813248
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In any case people can not release their possession towards coffee and/or chocolate anyway so maybe we should start looking on some of its substances from a bright side.
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SuperBiome
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2020 17:03 |
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Thanks Dmitry,
I'm interpreting that as not really much to worry about in the main ( - altho' there may be exceptions in individual cases) - for coffee ( - 100% cocoa powder ?) & even olive oil.
A few years ago, I came across early research which seem to show quite clearly that a 10-15ml daily dose of a high quality olive oil was beneficial to overall health, and at reducing the risk of neurological conditions like Alzheimer's and dementia. However, important questions might include 'for whom' ? Everyone ? Seems like a 'harmless' thing to trial, . . . given the length of time humans have been using it ?
Frankly, I'm having some 'fun' considering the gut microbiome, increasing FIBRE from natural foods, to support mine, and observing what the effects are. The gut microbiome determines which drugs we can metabolise, says Prof Martin Blaser, author of Missing Microbes.
Wishing all a PENSIVE Remembrance Day - may our tendencies to cause others, & this planet harm diminish faster & faster - THAT seems more important than ever now !
SB
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Dmitry
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2020 18:33 |
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A few years ago, I came across early research which seem to show quite clearly that a 10-15ml daily dose of a high quality olive oil was beneficial to overall health, and at reducing the risk of neurological conditions like Alzheimer's and dementia. However, important questions might include 'for whom' ? Everyone ? Seems like a 'harmless' thing to trial, . . . given the length of time humans have been using it ?
So even 10..15ml of olive oil are being able to modulate immune response. Interesting...
I'm interpreting that as not really much to worry about in the main ( - altho' there may be exceptions in individual cases) - for coffee ( - 100% cocoa powder ?) & even olive oil.
Usually all anti inflammatory substances are highly addictive.  Last edited on Mon Nov 9th, 2020 18:52 by Dmitry
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Dmitry
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Posted: Mon Nov 16th, 2020 18:36 |
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Effects of decaffeination process on the phenolic content and antioxidant capacity of brewed coffees
https://faseb.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1096/fasebj.24.1_supplement.921.14
...This study suggests that some decaf methods may not alter phenolic content and antioxidant capacity...
Evaluating the effect of decaffeination on nutritional and antioxidant status of different coffee brands
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330410913_Evaluating_the_effect_of_decaffeination_on_nutritional_and_antioxidant_status_of_different_coffee_brands
Total phenolic contents (TPC)
Phenolics and polyphenolic compounds constitute the main class of natural antioxidants present in plants and may contribute directly to antioxidative action (Awika et al., 2003) therefore it is necessary to calculate total phenolic content.
TPC was determined following a modified Follin–Ciocalteu method and results were expressed as gallic acid equivalents.
Total phenolic contents in Table 11 revealed:
* T3(caffeinated ground coffee) ---> 1720(mg/100g)
* T0(instant coffee) ----------------> 1711(mg/100g)
* T2(decaffeinated coffee beans) --> 1490(mg/100g)
Last edited on Mon Nov 16th, 2020 18:42 by Dmitry
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Posted: Tue Nov 17th, 2020 20:28 |
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Am now wondering if there is any known connection/association between these 'polyphenols' ( - which, are molecules with multiple carbon or 'phenly/phenolic' rings ?) and short & medium chain fatty acids (SCFAs . . . & MCFAs) ? ? ?
One common MCFA is said to be butyric acid, which I surmise is a 'linear type' molecule, with four carbon atoms. These MCFAs are said to be important to health, and by-products of a healthy (gut) microbiome.
Any clarifications to these comments invited from those with greater insights into biochemistry, microbiome, nutrition and health !
SB
Somehow, . . . . hanging in there & coping, thru' continuing 'choppy waters' to life ! ! !
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